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Postby Viewpoint » Tue Dec 04, 2007 10:57 pm

zan Msss Kikapolousis lives in cuckoo land she has not been in contact with her people for 42 years and thinks she knows best, well pardon me for knowing a little more as it us who have to compromise our lives and submit to GC domination, just because this thing says so. Well you arguments Msss kikapollusis are null and void as you have no clue of what you are talking about.
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Postby Viewpoint » Tue Dec 04, 2007 11:00 pm

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All this bullshit cause we want to be equals and requst a level playing field, what you see fit for yourselves why cant you treat us as equals and allow us to move forward?

as soon as you allow people to reclaim their homes at will...and let democrasy take its course...a fair deal in my books...what do you say?..a deal?

ps....now comes the obstacle course... :lol:


As per the Annan Plan? No problem or was that not democracy Gc style, it was only backed by 90% of the world, ho yes they were all wrong and the genius Gcs were right. Well you made your bed you can lay in it.
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Postby boomerang » Tue Dec 04, 2007 11:05 pm

Zan your only hope is to do an armenian...wait 100 odd years, like your motherland is, grilled and blackmailed dialy by the world stage...and by then there won't be any tcs left...is this what you want, coz from my side of the fence you got no hope in hell, or the world of today rather, is not ready to start accepting ETHNIC CLEANSING as the norm in today's society...

The sooner you get your head around this one the sooner you start thinking straight... :lol:

Your UTOPIAN state of thinking we are gonna become a recognised state is the day it will spell gloom for you...Don't worry Turkey will see to that...Your only and current protection is the RoC...keeping Turkey at bay...Coz if it was up to Turkey you as people would have been finished by now...

VP knows what I am talking about...if you look at the back seat of her car you will see knee pads and a couple of lipstick boxes...she buys them in bulk from orphanides to save money... :Lol:
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Postby boomerang » Tue Dec 04, 2007 11:10 pm

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All this bullshit cause we want to be equals and requst a level playing field, what you see fit for yourselves why cant you treat us as equals and allow us to move forward?

as soon as you allow people to reclaim their homes at will...and let democrasy take its course...a fair deal in my books...what do you say?..a deal?

ps....now comes the obstacle course... :lol:


As per the Annan Plan? No problem or was that not democracy Gc style, it was only backed by 90% of the world, ho yes they were all wrong and the genius Gcs were right. Well you made your bed you can lay in it.


You are missing the point here...
1...The ref was a demonstration of democracy...something you fail to understand...It was a vote and it was voted down...as to the why, it don't matter...This is how democracy works...but of cource you know all about democracy, right?

2...when you say 90% of the world, care to provide a list of 90% of the world's countries that supported this plan?

3...Everyone agreed to the terms of the ref...Your side as well...It would have benn null and void if failed...This point was understood prior to the ref...and pretty much by everyone...So you bringing it on all the time is a waste of time...
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Postby Viewpoint » Tue Dec 04, 2007 11:14 pm

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All this bullshit cause we want to be equals and requst a level playing field, what you see fit for yourselves why cant you treat us as equals and allow us to move forward?

as soon as you allow people to reclaim their homes at will...and let democrasy take its course...a fair deal in my books...what do you say?..a deal?

ps....now comes the obstacle course... :lol:


As per the Annan Plan? No problem or was that not democracy Gc style, it was only backed by 90% of the world, ho yes they were all wrong and the genius Gcs were right. Well you made your bed you can lay in it.


You are missing the point here...
1...The ref was a demonstration of democracy...something you fail to understand...It was a vote and it was voted down...as to the why, it don't matter...This is how democracy works...but of cource you know all about democracy, right?

2...when you say 90% of the world, care to provide a list of 90% of the world's countries that supported this plan?

3...Everyone agreed to the terms of the ref...Your side as well...It would have benn null and void if failed...This point was understood prior to the ref...and pretty much by everyone...So you bringing it on all the time is a waste of time...


So you accept you rejected democracy democratically?

Go to the world map exclude 10% and read all the countries left.

Man you are clueless.
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Postby Viewpoint » Tue Dec 04, 2007 11:16 pm

boomerang wrote:Zan your only hope is to do an armenian...wait 100 odd years, like your motherland is, grilled and blackmailed dialy by the world stage...and by then there won't be any tcs left...is this what you want, coz from my side of the fence you got no hope in hell, or the world of today rather, is not ready to start accepting ETHNIC CLEANSING as the norm in today's society...

The sooner you get your head around this one the sooner you start thinking straight... :lol:

Your UTOPIAN state of thinking we are gonna become a recognised state is the day it will spell gloom for you...Don't worry Turkey will see to that...Your only and current protection is the RoC...keeping Turkey at bay...Coz if it was up to Turkey you as people would have been finished by now...

VP knows what I am talking about...if you look at the back seat of her car you will see knee pads and a couple of lipstick boxes...she buys them in bulk from orphanides to save money... :Lol:


Whats it to you? why do you care? Its our choice nothing to do with you anymore.
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Postby Kikapu » Tue Dec 04, 2007 11:18 pm

Viewpoint wrote:zan Msss Kikapolousis lives in cuckoo land she has not been in contact with her people for 42 years and thinks she knows best, well pardon me for knowing a little more as it us who have to compromise our lives and submit to GC domination, just because this thing says so. Well you arguments Msss kikapollusis are null and void as you have no clue of what you are talking about.


Now you are evading the question just like Zan has been all night. It is very simple. Can you break down the 60% who voted for 2 state ( Partition) solution. So, look at my post and tell me why am I wrong in my breakdown of the numbers.

It all depends who actually voted. In actuality, I'm surprised that the number were not higher, much higher in fact, considering settlers who were "converted" to become Turkish Cypriots stands to lose the most except for a 2 Independent State solution, where they get to keep GC properties for free. So let us be generous and remove 25% of the "settlers factor" and you have about 35% True Turkish Cypriots who had voted in this poll. In 2004 Referendum, the "TRNC" voted 65% on the AP, which many GC's saw it as a Partition Plan at the expense of the RoC, which the TC's had everything to gain and very little to lose. So in actuality, the percentages has gone down from 65% in 2004 to 60% now, and if you remove the 25% "settlers factor", it is down to even lower numbers, which is 35%. The real differential numbers from 2004 to 2007 are 30% less True TC's wanting partition or 2 Independent state solution than they did in 2004. Could it be, that majority of the TC's fear being ruled by Ankara, once they achieve an Independent State .???

I think this new poll is actually works against the "TRNC" and the Partitionist wanting a Partition or a 2 Independent State Solution. The reported was also very much reporting what he was fed by the "TRNC" and not having his own information. I mean, how many partitionist really agree with this

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Postby Viewpoint » Tue Dec 04, 2007 11:27 pm

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Viewpoint wrote:zan Msss Kikapolousis lives in cuckoo land she has not been in contact with her people for 42 years and thinks she knows best, well pardon me for knowing a little more as it us who have to compromise our lives and submit to GC domination, just because this thing says so. Well you arguments Msss kikapollusis are null and void as you have no clue of what you are talking about.


Now you are evading the question just like Zan has been all night. It is very simple. Can you break down the 60% who voted for 2 state ( Partition) solution. So, look at my post and tell me why am I wrong in my breakdown of the numbers.

It all depends who actually voted. In actuality, I'm surprised that the number were not higher, much higher in fact, considering settlers who were "converted" to become Turkish Cypriots stands to lose the most except for a 2 Independent State solution, where they get to keep GC properties for free. So let us be generous and remove 25% of the "settlers factor" and you have about 35% True Turkish Cypriots who had voted in this poll. In 2004 Referendum, the "TRNC" voted 65% on the AP, which many GC's saw it as a Partition Plan at the expense of the RoC, which the TC's had everything to gain and very little to lose. So in actuality, the percentages has gone down from 65% in 2004 to 60% now, and if you remove the 25% "settlers factor", it is down to even lower numbers, which is 35%. The real differential numbers from 2004 to 2007 are 30% less True TC's wanting partition or 2 Independent state solution than they did in 2004. Could it be, that majority of the TC's fear being ruled by Ankara, once they achieve an Independent State .???

I think this new poll is actually works against the "TRNC" and the Partitionist wanting a Partition or a 2 Independent State Solution. The reported was also very much reporting what he was fed by the "TRNC" and not having his own information. I mean, how many partitionist really agree with this



How do you know the polsters were not asked if the are settlers or TCs, you try to explain away whats in front of you rather than face and understand why the trend is going against unification and more and more in favor of a 2 state solution. You close your eyes like most Gcs and sweep facts under the carpet because they do not suit your mindset, this is typical GC mentality and thats what you are Msss Kiakapolousis a GC.
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Postby zan » Tue Dec 04, 2007 11:31 pm

Kikapu wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:zan Msss Kikapolousis lives in cuckoo land she has not been in contact with her people for 42 years and thinks she knows best, well pardon me for knowing a little more as it us who have to compromise our lives and submit to GC domination, just because this thing says so. Well you arguments Msss kikapollusis are null and void as you have no clue of what you are talking about.


Now you are evading the question just like Zan has been all night. It is very simple. Can you break down the 60% who voted for 2 state ( Partition) solution. So, look at my post and tell me why am I wrong in my breakdown of the numbers.

It all depends who actually voted. In actuality, I'm surprised that the number were not higher, much higher in fact, considering settlers who were "converted" to become Turkish Cypriots stands to lose the most except for a 2 Independent State solution, where they get to keep GC properties for free. So let us be generous and remove 25% of the "settlers factor" and you have about 35% True Turkish Cypriots who had voted in this poll. In 2004 Referendum, the "TRNC" voted 65% on the AP, which many GC's saw it as a Partition Plan at the expense of the RoC, which the TC's had everything to gain and very little to lose. So in actuality, the percentages has gone down from 65% in 2004 to 60% now, and if you remove the 25% "settlers factor", it is down to even lower numbers, which is 35%. The real differential numbers from 2004 to 2007 are 30% less True TC's wanting partition or 2 Independent state solution than they did in 2004. Could it be, that majority of the TC's fear being ruled by Ankara, once they achieve an Independent State .???

I think this new poll is actually works against the "TRNC" and the Partitionist wanting a Partition or a 2 Independent State Solution. The reported was also very much reporting what he was fed by the "TRNC" and not having his own information. I mean, how many partitionist really agree with this



Yes 60% of the people living in the TRNC/KKTC that we call TCs and don't give a shit what you think. If we didn't want them to vote then we would not have made them citisens like the "RoC" made you.... :roll: :roll: :roll:



You brake down the GCs and then talk
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Postby Kikapu » Tue Dec 04, 2007 11:37 pm

Viewpoint wrote:
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Viewpoint wrote:zan Msss Kikapolousis lives in cuckoo land she has not been in contact with her people for 42 years and thinks she knows best, well pardon me for knowing a little more as it us who have to compromise our lives and submit to GC domination, just because this thing says so. Well you arguments Msss kikapollusis are null and void as you have no clue of what you are talking about.


Now you are evading the question just like Zan has been all night. It is very simple. Can you break down the 60% who voted for 2 state ( Partition) solution. So, look at my post and tell me why am I wrong in my breakdown of the numbers.

It all depends who actually voted. In actuality, I'm surprised that the number were not higher, much higher in fact, considering settlers who were "converted" to become Turkish Cypriots stands to lose the most except for a 2 Independent State solution, where they get to keep GC properties for free. So let us be generous and remove 25% of the "settlers factor" and you have about 35% True Turkish Cypriots who had voted in this poll. In 2004 Referendum, the "TRNC" voted 65% on the AP, which many GC's saw it as a Partition Plan at the expense of the RoC, which the TC's had everything to gain and very little to lose. So in actuality, the percentages has gone down from 65% in 2004 to 60% now, and if you remove the 25% "settlers factor", it is down to even lower numbers, which is 35%. The real differential numbers from 2004 to 2007 are 30% less True TC's wanting partition or 2 Independent state solution than they did in 2004. Could it be, that majority of the TC's fear being ruled by Ankara, once they achieve an Independent State .???

I think this new poll is actually works against the "TRNC" and the Partitionist wanting a Partition or a 2 Independent State Solution. The reported was also very much reporting what he was fed by the "TRNC" and not having his own information. I mean, how many partitionist really agree with this



How do you know the polsters were not asked if the are settlers or TCs, you try to explain away whats in front of rather than face and understand why the trend is going against unification and more and more in favor of a 2 state solution. You close your eyes like most Gcs and sweep facts under the carpet becuase they do not suit your mindset, this is typical GC mentality and thats what you are Msss Kiakapolousis a GC.


That's my whole point, we don't know anything, other than what the reporter was told by the "TRNC" officials, that 60% wanted a 2 state ( partition) solution. Why would the pollster ask anyone who has a "TRNC" citizenship who has a right to vote, whether they were a "converted TC's" from a settler, or that they were a true TC's. Why would that question be even raised. Since you know everything, how many settlers are holding a "TRNC" citizenship's and how many are old enough to vote. What are the numbers. 20,000, 30,000, 40,000....what is it. What ever the numbers are and voted in that 60%, that will be your "settler factor" which does not represent the true wishes of the TC's in wanting a Partition. I hope you got all that.
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