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utu how long can you try to ignore snide remarks and insults, there comes a time like in 1974 when you have to stand up for what you believe in and fight back.

Like what happened with Expatkiwi? For his pro-independence stance for the north, he ended up getting more than just snide remarks and insults. He faced a direct threat to himself and his family. Not exactly what one expects from a forum.

utu I have faced the same barrage of insults and accusations from GCs and TCs who cannot see or accept that there is different viewpoints on solving the Cyprus problem, they live in some sort of utopia (mostly abroad) and try to dictate to us that we are wrong and what is best for our future. Well what I suggest to those people are firstly return to Cyprus north or south and then decide with more insight to what actually goes on here, see first hand that neither side has any intention of solving jack shit because they lack vision, understanding or courage to compromise in order to find a solution. The opposite to unification is agreed partition which is not as bad as people try to make out it is, we are 90% of the way there anyway.

[zan]

utu how long can you try to ignore snide remarks and insults, there comes a time like in 1974 when you have to stand up for what you believe in and fight back.

Like what happened with Expatkiwi? For his pro-independence stance for the north, he ended up getting more than just snide remarks and insults. He faced a direct threat to himself and his family. Not exactly what one expects from a forum.

fucking hell give it a fucking rest you two this ain't no eurovision

Typical GC reaction to the truth of the matter

[Nikitas]

UTU said:


"Cynicism and mistrust seem to be the watchword here, and all that does is to entrench positions. Not exactly the most convivial means for reconciliation, is it?"

Utu, while we are going at each other tooth and nail in here, other Cypriots are busy shopping in Ikea and Orphanidis and visiting Casinos. The non intellectual Cypriots maybe have more of an idea of how to solve things than us "intellectuals".

In my grandfather's village the two sides have come to an agreement to rebuild the church, using GC money and TC labor. It was all agreed informally over coffee. When TCs from the village come south they visit former GC residents and bring produce from the village. On a local basis things are happening.
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[denizaksulu]

UTU said:


"Cynicism and mistrust seem to be the watchword here, and all that does is to entrench positions. Not exactly the most convivial means for reconciliation, is it?"

Utu, while we are going at each other tooth and nail in here, other Cypriots are busy shopping in Ikea and Orphanidis and visiting Casinos. The non intellectual Cypriots maybe have more of an idea of how to solve things than us "intellectuals".

In my grandfather's village the two sides have come to an agreement to rebuild the church, using GC money and TC labor. It was all agreed informally over coffee. When TCs from the village come south they visit former GC residents and bring produce from the village. On a local basis things are happening.
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Who needs politicians? They only foment trouble. Leave it to the ordinary folks, they will work wonders.

Deport them all (politicians) to the moon, sorry no, too close, enough men on the moon. Is Pluto in range?

[Viewpoint]

utu how long can you try to ignore snide remarks and insults, there comes a time like in 1974 when you have to stand up for what you believe in and fight back.

Like what happened with Expatkiwi? For his pro-independence stance for the north, he ended up getting more than just snide remarks and insults. He faced a direct threat to himself and his family. Not exactly what one expects from a forum.

fucking hell give it a fucking rest you two this ain't no eurovision

Typical GC reaction to the truth of the matter

That's what they want for us to give it a rest and go away, well we will not not and we will keep telling the world our side of the story.

[EPSILON]

[quote=". The opposite to unification is agreed partition which is not as bad as people try to make out it is, we are 90% of the way there anyway.

Under the circumstances maybe is the best solution!!!!!

[EPSILON]

[quote=". The opposite to unification is agreed partition which is not as bad as people try to make out it is, we are 90% of the way there anyway.

Under the circumstances maybe is the best solution!!!!!

POLITIS - NEWSPAPER TODAY

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Καταρρέει η οικονομία του ψευδοκράτους"

Ο λεγόμενος πρωθυπουργός των κατεχομένων Φερντί Σαμπίτ Σογιέρ δήλωσε ότι κατά το 2006 ο ρυθμός ανάπτυξης της οικονομίας του ψευδοκράτους ήταν 13%, ενώ το 2007 δεν προβλέπεται ανάπτυξη λόγω της πτώσης της αξίας του δολαρίου και παρά το γεγονός ότι τα έσοδα αυξήθηκαν κατά 1,2 εκατομμύρια δολάρια.
Σύμφωνα με το σημερινό τ/κ Τύπο, ο αρχηγός του Κόμματος Κοινοτικής Δημοκρατίας Μεχμέτ Τσακιτζί δήλωσε ότι λόγω λανθασμένων χειρισμών και πολιτικής της ''κυβέρνησης'' παρουσιάστηκε μεγάλο έλλειμμα στον ''προϋπολογισμό'' το όποιο για να καλυφθεί επιβάλλονται περιορισμοί στις αγορές προϊόντων από τις ελεύθερες περιοχές. Πρόσθεσε ότι αν συνεχιστεί η άσκηση πίεσης στους πολίτες για τα ψώνια τους από τις ελεύθερες περιοχές, αυτό θα έχει αρνητικές επιπτώσεις και ο κόσμος θα επαναστατήσει στην αδικία.

Ο πρόεδρος του τ/κ συνδέσμου βοήθειας και αλληλεγγύης προσφύγων Ενβέρ Ντιντσόγλου δήλωσε ότι με το σχέδιο Ανάν λέχτηκαν πολλά ψέματα στους Τ/κ και ότι τώρα άρχισαν να παρουσιάζονται οι δυσκολίες, αφού η οικονομία του ψευδοκράτους άρχισε να καταρρέει, οι μικρομεσαίοι επιχειρηματίες, έμποροι και γεωργοί υποφέρουν, ενώ οι μικρές επιχειρήσεις κατεβάζουν τα ρολά. Είπε ακόμη ότι στο ψευδοκράτος επικρατεί χάος, ότι οι απολύσεις προσωπικού διαδέχονται η μια την άλλη και κάλεσε τη λεγόμενη κυβέρνηση να πάρει αμέσως τα ενδεικνυόμενα μέτρα για να καταστεί η οικονομία ανταγωνιστική των ελεύθερων περιοχών.

Ο αρθρογράφος της ''Κίπρις'' Μπιλμπάι Εμίνογλου γράφει ότι μετά τα όσα γράφτηκαν και λέχτηκαν τον τελευταίο καιρό για τα ψώνια των Τ/κ από τις ελεύθερες περιοχές, οι υπεραγορές των κατεχομένων αναγκάστηκαν να μειώσουν τις τιμές τους. Προσθέτει, όμως, ότι οι καταναλωτές δεν φαίνονται ικανοποιημένοι και δηλώνουν ότι πρόκειται για στοκ, το οποίο θέλουν να ξεφορτωθούν και να ξεπουλήσουν ενώ υπάρχουν και αυτοί που δηλώνουν ότι δεν θα πρέπει να γίνεται λόγος για μείωση των τιμών αλλά για επαναφορά των τιμών στα φυσιολογικά τους επίπεδα.

Η ''Σταρ'' γράφει ότι σε ορισμένα καταστήματα οι εκπτώσεις φθάνουν μέχρι και το 50%.
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For Greek Cypriots only:" Can you imagine Annan plan to be valid today?how many taxes you should pay in order to bring North in South's standards?"

[DT.]

unitary state with a free market economy and everything gets evened out. Efficient Market Hypothesis works everywhere to avoid arbitrage on discrepancies. Land values equate, salaries equate...gradually living conditions ill become equal as well.

[zan]

unitary state with a free market economy and everything gets evened out. Efficient Market Hypothesis works everywhere to avoid arbitrage on discrepancies. Land values equate, salaries equate...gradually living conditions ill become equal as well.

Give us some time scale on that DT....How long has the UK been in the EU now.....

[Nikitas]

The UK is a heavily industrial society Zan, it obviously needed a long time to adjust to EU standards and practices. The Turkish Cypriot community is essentially a farming/service oriented economy and it can adapt to EU practices pretty fast, assuming its leaders let it adapt.

The strains of being right next door to an EU economy are beginning to show now. I lived a similar time in Greece before it beacme a full member of the EU and we had to go through a weird and humiliating process when travelling to Italy. Search on the way out to make sure you were not carrying foreign currency or valuable assets*, search on the way in to check that you were not bringing in contraband. It was all bureaucratic bullshit which never worked.

In the end it all vanished when Greece became a full member of the EU and it was finally buried when we got the Euro and stopped that foreign exchange control crap.

The sooner the Turkish Cypriot leadership espoused full EU standards and wasy of doing things the better it will be for everyone.

* Valuable assets were interpreted by one customs man in Piraeus to include bags of lentils and dried fasolia because "they could be sold overseas" and thus be the means to circumvent exchange controls!!!! If it had not happened to me I would not believe it!