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[boomerang]

Fair point and I will be the first to let you know next time they do a survey...I will split it up for you, just as you wil do for me with the current survey...thanks

Now see if you can have a crack at it Zan...

Is it fair to say that 40% to 50% of the 60% Cypriots are in fact illegal settlers?...If this is the case and we are talking averages here, and being generous with numbers, I would say the majority of the actual Cypriots DO NOT prefer a two state solution, and good to see...VIVA the >40% Cypriots...

PS...zan when you do a survey, you do not go around and ask questions about others...You need to digest the survey itself first...

[Kikapu]

latest polls are:
According to a recent poll conducted by the self-declared Turkish Republic of North Cyprus, 60 per cent of Turkish Cypriots now favour a two-state solution that would see their population permanently separated from their Greek counterparts on the south of the island along the infamous Green Line border that carves the island in two.


http://news.independent.co.uk/europe/article3218049.ece

It all depends who actually voted. In actuality, I'm surprised that the number were not higher, much higher in fact, considering settlers who were "converted" to become Turkish Cypriots stands to lose the most except for a 2 Independent State solution, where they get to keep GC properties for free. So let us be generous and remove 25% of the "settlers factor" and you have about 35% True Turkish Cypriots who had voted in this poll. In 2004 Referendum, the "TRNC" voted 65% on the AP, which many GC's saw it as a Partition Plan at the expense of the RoC, which the TC's had everything to gain and very little to lose. So in actuality, the percentages has gone down from 65% in 2004 to 60% now, and if you remove the 25% "settlers factor", it is down to even lower numbers, which is 35%. The real differential numbers from 2004 to 2007 are 30% less True TC's wanting partition or 2 Independent state solution than they did in 2004. Could it be, that majority of the TC's fear being ruled by Ankara, once they achieve an Independent State .???

I think this new poll is actually works against the "TRNC" and the Partitionist wanting a Partition or a 2 Independent State Solution. The reported was also very much reporting what he was fed by the "TRNC" and not having his own information. I mean, how many partitionist really agree with this

"Turkish Cypriots have started to say if they don't want a solution with us, if they don't want to live with us why should we continue to ask to live together, what is the point? A growing number of Turkish Cypriot's are thinking this every day. The walls between the two peoples are growing taller every day."

Since when did the 200,000 GC refugees been offered to come and live in their properties in the "TRNC" in order to make the above claim.

[Cliff]

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[Viewpoint]

latest polls are:
According to a recent poll conducted by the self-declared Turkish Republic of North Cyprus, 60 per cent of Turkish Cypriots now favour a two-state solution that would see their population permanently separated from their Greek counterparts on the south of the island along the infamous Green Line border that carves the island in two.


http://news.independent.co.uk/europe/article3218049.ece

It all depends who actually voted. In actuality, I'm surprised that the number were not higher, much higher in fact, considering settlers who were "converted" to become Turkish Cypriots stands to lose the most except for a 2 Independent State solution, where they get to keep GC properties for free. So let us be generous and remove 25% of the "settlers factor" and you have about 35% True Turkish Cypriots who had voted in this poll. In 2004 Referendum, the "TRNC" voted 65% on the AP, which many GC's saw it as a Partition Plan at the expense of the RoC, which the TC's had everything to gain and very little to lose. So in actuality, the percentages has gone down from 65% in 2004 to 60% now, and if you remove the 25% "settlers factor", it is down to even lower numbers, which is 35%. The real differential numbers from 2004 to 2007 are 30% less True TC's wanting partition or 2 Independent state solution than they did in 2004. Could it be, that majority of the TC's fear being ruled by Ankara, once they achieve an Independent State .???

I think this new poll is actually works against the "TRNC" and the Partitionist wanting a Partition or a 2 Independent State Solution. The reported was also very much reporting what he was fed by the "TRNC" and not having his own information. I mean, how many partitionist really agree with this

"Turkish Cypriots have started to say if they don't want a solution with us, if they don't want to live with us why should we continue to ask to live together, what is the point? A growing number of Turkish Cypriot's are thinking this every day. The walls between the two peoples are growing taller every day."

Since when did the 200,000 GC refugees been offered to come and live in their properties in the "TRNC" in order to make the above claim.

The above is a prime example of GC mentality...you prove me right time and time again.

[Kikapu]

latest polls are:
According to a recent poll conducted by the self-declared Turkish Republic of North Cyprus, 60 per cent of Turkish Cypriots now favour a two-state solution that would see their population permanently separated from their Greek counterparts on the south of the island along the infamous Green Line border that carves the island in two.


http://news.independent.co.uk/europe/article3218049.ece

It all depends who actually voted. In actuality, I'm surprised that the number were not higher, much higher in fact, considering settlers who were "converted" to become Turkish Cypriots stands to lose the most except for a 2 Independent State solution, where they get to keep GC properties for free. So let us be generous and remove 25% of the "settlers factor" and you have about 35% True Turkish Cypriots who had voted in this poll. In 2004 Referendum, the "TRNC" voted 65% on the AP, which many GC's saw it as a Partition Plan at the expense of the RoC, which the TC's had everything to gain and very little to lose. So in actuality, the percentages has gone down from 65% in 2004 to 60% now, and if you remove the 25% "settlers factor", it is down to even lower numbers, which is 35%. The real differential numbers from 2004 to 2007 are 30% less True TC's wanting partition or 2 Independent state solution than they did in 2004. Could it be, that majority of the TC's fear being ruled by Ankara, once they achieve an Independent State .???

I think this new poll is actually works against the "TRNC" and the Partitionist wanting a Partition or a 2 Independent State Solution. The reported was also very much reporting what he was fed by the "TRNC" and not having his own information. I mean, how many partitionist really agree with this

"Turkish Cypriots have started to say if they don't want a solution with us, if they don't want to live with us why should we continue to ask to live together, what is the point? A growing number of Turkish Cypriot's are thinking this every day. The walls between the two peoples are growing taller every day."

Since when did the 200,000 GC refugees been offered to come and live in their properties in the "TRNC" in order to make the above claim.

The above is a prime example of GC mentality...you prove me right time and time again.

Miss Piggy

Before you go all PORK on me with your usual nonsensical replies, why don't you respond by telling me what is it that you are confused with the numbers I posted.

As for the reporter's report, what do you have to say about that also. Is it realistic what I "marked" with what he wrote, with the reality on the ground.

[Viewpoint]

latest polls are:
According to a recent poll conducted by the self-declared Turkish Republic of North Cyprus, 60 per cent of Turkish Cypriots now favour a two-state solution that would see their population permanently separated from their Greek counterparts on the south of the island along the infamous Green Line border that carves the island in two.


http://news.independent.co.uk/europe/article3218049.ece

It all depends who actually voted. In actuality, I'm surprised that the number were not higher, much higher in fact, considering settlers who were "converted" to become Turkish Cypriots stands to lose the most except for a 2 Independent State solution, where they get to keep GC properties for free. So let us be generous and remove 25% of the "settlers factor" and you have about 35% True Turkish Cypriots who had voted in this poll. In 2004 Referendum, the "TRNC" voted 65% on the AP, which many GC's saw it as a Partition Plan at the expense of the RoC, which the TC's had everything to gain and very little to lose. So in actuality, the percentages has gone down from 65% in 2004 to 60% now, and if you remove the 25% "settlers factor", it is down to even lower numbers, which is 35%. The real differential numbers from 2004 to 2007 are 30% less True TC's wanting partition or 2 Independent state solution than they did in 2004. Could it be, that majority of the TC's fear being ruled by Ankara, once they achieve an Independent State .???

I think this new poll is actually works against the "TRNC" and the Partitionist wanting a Partition or a 2 Independent State Solution. The reported was also very much reporting what he was fed by the "TRNC" and not having his own information. I mean, how many partitionist really agree with this

"Turkish Cypriots have started to say if they don't want a solution with us, if they don't want to live with us why should we continue to ask to live together, what is the point? A growing number of Turkish Cypriot's are thinking this every day. The walls between the two peoples are growing taller every day."

Since when did the 200,000 GC refugees been offered to come and live in their properties in the "TRNC" in order to make the above claim.

The above is a prime example of GC mentality...you prove me right time and time again.

Before you go all PORK on me with your usual nonsensical replies, why don't you respond by telling me what is it that you are confused with the numbers I posted.

As for the reporter's report, what do you have to say about that also. Is it realistic what I "marked" with what he wrote, with the reality on the ground.

Elephant Man get your brain in gear you plonker, you cannot see why I stated your responce is typical GC methodology ...then you are beyond help...

[utu]

This is the problem with this forum: a thread that basically asked a question of where people stood on how the Cyprus Problem should be solved has degenerated into name-calling and back-biting. Cynicism and mistrust seem to be the watchword here, and all that does is to entrench positions. Not exactly the most convivial means for reconciliation, is it?

[boomerang]

This is the problem with this forum: a thread that basically asked a question of where people stood on how the Cyprus Problem should be solved has degenerated into name-calling and back-biting. Cynicism and mistrust seem to be the watchword here, and all that does is to entrench positions. Not exactly the most convivial means for reconciliation, is it?

Well it would be nice to clarify as to who is a Turkish Cypriot is...Obviously the setters are gonna vote for 2 states...an estimated guess, an intelligent guess is that 50% of the population in the Nth are settlers...

Another plonker of a survey

[Viewpoint]

This is the problem with this forum: a thread that basically asked a question of where people stood on how the Cyprus Problem should be solved has degenerated into name-calling and back-biting. Cynicism and mistrust seem to be the watchword here, and all that does is to entrench positions. Not exactly the most convivial means for reconciliation, is it?

utu how long can you try to ignore snide remarks and insults, there comes a time like in 1974 when you have to stand up for what you believe in and fight back.

[utu]

utu how long can you try to ignore snide remarks and insults, there comes a time like in 1974 when you have to stand up for what you believe in and fight back.

Like what happened with Expatkiwi? For his pro-independence stance for the north, he ended up getting more than just snide remarks and insults. He faced a direct threat to himself and his family. Not exactly what one expects from a forum.