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[Bananiot]

Papadopoulos has tricked the people. In April 2004 he effectively asked

why accept BBF when in a week's time we will become full members of the European Union and we could have a better solution?

The majority of people believed him (us Cypriots are like that, we like nice talk that stimulates our senses). Its been almost 4 years since 2004 and people have realised that Papadopoulos lied. The majority of Greek Cypriots are now against Papadopoulos and this is reflected in the measurements of the public opinion that are taking place in view of the forthcoming Presidential elections. Papadopoulos now commands only 31% of the popular vote and the tendency shows him going down. He is losing the elections because the people have woken up and realise now that he cannot offer Cyprus anything apart from partition with his all or nothing policies. Hopefully, with a new President and a new mandate we can get another chance in 2008 to look for a BBF that we can all agree on.

[zan]

Lets hope so Bananiot. Who is the best person to bring about change in your opinion? Who can we TCs root for that will bring the two sides together????

[denizaksulu]

Papadopoulos has tricked the people. In April 2004 he effectively asked

why accept BBF when in a week's time we will become full members of the European Union and we could have a better solution?

The majority of people believed him (us Cypriots are like that, we like nice talk that stimulates our senses). Its been almost 4 years since 2004 and people have realised that Papadopoulos lied. The majority of Greek Cypriots are now against Papadopoulos and this is reflected in the measurements of the public opinion that are taking place in view of the forthcoming Presidential elections. Papadopoulos now commands only 31% of the popular vote and the tendency shows him going down. He is losing the elections because the people have woken up and realise now that he cannot offer Cyprus anything apart from partition with his all or nothing policies. Hopefully, with a new President and a new mandate we can get another chance in 2008 to look for a BBF that we can all agree on.

I find your posts akin to my train of thought. Ideally a 'WHOLE' Unitary Cyprus but it seems with all the prevarication on both sides, a sort of BBF would have to be looked in to. Could you please have word in Piratis ear hole.

Regards

[Nikitas]

Well UTU,

It goes something like this: what I want, what I am likely to get and what I think will work, and the three are not identical.

A unitary state is what I want. But things being the way they are now it sounds outlandish to expect this obviously natural solution to come about.

BBF is the proposed solution everyone is touting, and that is the most likely outcome. Like the 1960 agreements it will be a mish mash of things selected from prosposals made mostly by foreigners who do not have a clue about Cyprus but must satisfy foreign demands (UK, USA, Greece, Turkey).

What will work is a solution that :

a) will not leave a politically signifcant section of the population feeling is has been unfairly treated.

b) it will make Turkey shut its mouth and have no demands in the future

c) be in accord with EU regulations so we are not constantly dragged into the EU court and/or fined, we should remember here that a failure of one component state of a federation to apply EU rules results in a fine on the WHOLE state.

d) prevent a repeat of 63 and 74

However, a two state solution seems to be the new intention of Turkey judging by statements made by messrs Gul and Erdogan. If partition comes about will Turkey leave us the fuck alone? Judging by the reaction to probable oil discovery off RoC's its southern shore it will not. Which brings us back to the Turkish plan laid down in 1958 called the Retaking of Cyprus (KIP) and methodically carried out since then. Unless the Turkish Cypriots react to that plan and neutralize it, it will persist. Partition is the first part of that plan. It is not the end goal. That plan is what drives the situation now.

If Pap loses the election, as predicted here, we will see how Turkey will react to the more amenable new president. Christofias and Kasoulides are both saying they will seek a solution based on compromise. What bigger compromise is there than a 30-70 share and how is that not going to get people feeling cheated is the mystery.

[zan]

The KIP movement does not tally with the YES to the Annan Plan..

Being asked or rather forced to give up the Zurich agreement is the compromise bigger than the 70-30 split...

[boomerang]

latest polls are:
According to a recent poll conducted by the self-declared Turkish Republic of North Cyprus, 60 per cent of Turkish Cypriots now favour a two-state solution that would see their population permanently separated from their Greek counterparts on the south of the island along the infamous Green Line border that carves the island in two.


http://news.independent.co.uk/europe/article3218049.ece

According to a recent poll conducted by the self-declared Turkish Republic of North Cyprus, 60 per cent of Turkish Cypriots now favour a two-state solution

I mean come on...I would like to know the breakdown of this 60%..If you were to discount the settler vote, the outcome would have been different...Another manipulation of figures?

[zan]

latest polls are:
According to a recent poll conducted by the self-declared Turkish Republic of North Cyprus, 60 per cent of Turkish Cypriots now favour a two-state solution that would see their population permanently separated from their Greek counterparts on the south of the island along the infamous Green Line border that carves the island in two.


http://news.independent.co.uk/europe/article3218049.ece

According to a recent poll conducted by the self-declared Turkish Republic of North Cyprus, 60 per cent of Turkish Cypriots now favour a two-state solution

I mean come on...I would like to know the breakdown of this 60%..If you were to discount the settler vote, the outcome would have been different...Another manipulation of figures?

Then lets have the figures for the real GCs in the South then...take out the Pontians and all the rest of them

[boomerang]

Zan how does that relate to what Halil posted?... I take it from your poor attempt you must also are wondering

[zan]

Zan how does that relate to what Halil posted?... I take it from your poor attempt you must also are wondering

It relates to the law that all things must be equal and not your distorted version of things.....The quote says 60% of Turkish Cypriots and if you want to sub-divide then for your political reasons then kindly apply the same rules to yourself...

[Bananiot]

The best is Themistokleous but he does not stand a chance. He is too honest and he says things as they are. Personally I would salute some sort of an alliance between Christofias and Kasoulides that will be brought about in order to solve the Cyprus issue. Between them they command more than 60% of the popular vote and thus they possess political clout. This may happen if Papadopoulos makes it to the second round.