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[Kikapu]

I appear to be the only person who has come home after 30 years of living abroad .

You did not even do that Miss Piggy. Had you returned to the land and Country of your Cypriot Parents, which is Republic of Cyprus, then you could make that claim, but you went somewhere you have no roots at all, a place called the "TRNC", so in essence, you might as well have returned to Italy, France or Spain.

Thats your opinion and this case what I feel is more importnant than any twist you want to put on it. The TRNc is home where the TCs live and feel safe, I know this make you sick to our core but thats how it is and will be until people like you realize that we never submit to GCs demands that will take away our community rights and leave us to the mercy of GCs. This is something you will never understand as you have not been back to interact with your own ethnic kind, all you saw was a tourists sees in the GC state called the "RoC" and thats all you will ever be to Cyprus a tourist and not even a good one at that.

I was just answering your statement, that's all. No need to go into what the "TRNC" means to you. That's another subject altogether.

I know you have heard of Green Lanes in London.!! I get to speak with all the TC's I want there, so yes, I'm in touch with my people.

SO you talk to TCs in London, well done Im sure you get a feel of the TRNC from Norf London, Elephant Man...you are a lost cause, noway we can ever make you are normal unbiased person, your hate for anything Turkish includes the people you claim are your people.

You always did lacked originality Miss Piggy.

That's actually an improvement on how I look in real life.

Too bad your integrity and Principles are much worse.

What's the matter Missy, do the TC's in London do not count as my people, or only if they call themselves ....what...what the hell do you call yourself anyway if you claim the "TRNC" to be your country. I mean, if you are from England, you are English, French from France and Italian from Italy. What are you from the "TRNC". Don't tell me, you are a "TRNC"ian!!! Anyway, it is not too important, since most TC's in the UK consider themselves to be Cypriots. That means Missy, they are from Cyprus...Get it, they are from Cyprus, so yes, they are my people along with all the GC's there.

[Viewpoint]

I appear to be the only person who has come home after 30 years of living abroad .

You did not even do that Miss Piggy. Had you returned to the land and Country of your Cypriot Parents, which is Republic of Cyprus, then you could make that claim, but you went somewhere you have no roots at all, a place called the "TRNC", so in essence, you might as well have returned to Italy, France or Spain.

Thats your opinion and this case what I feel is more importnant than any twist you want to put on it. The TRNc is home where the TCs live and feel safe, I know this make you sick to our core but thats how it is and will be until people like you realize that we never submit to GCs demands that will take away our community rights and leave us to the mercy of GCs. This is something you will never understand as you have not been back to interact with your own ethnic kind, all you saw was a tourists sees in the GC state called the "RoC" and thats all you will ever be to Cyprus a tourist and not even a good one at that.

I was just answering your statement, that's all. No need to go into what the "TRNC" means to you. That's another subject altogether.

I know you have heard of Green Lanes in London.!! I get to speak with all the TC's I want there, so yes, I'm in touch with my people.

SO you talk to TCs in London, well done Im sure you get a feel of the TRNC from Norf London, Elephant Man...you are a lost cause, noway we can ever make you are normal unbiased person, your hate for anything Turkish includes the people you claim are your people.

You always did lacked originality Miss Piggy.

That's actually an improvement on how I look in real life.

Too bad your integrity and Principles are much worse.

What's the matter Missy, do the TC's in London do not count as my people, or only if they call themselves ....what...what the hell do you call yourself anyway if you claim the "TRNC" to be your country. I mean, if you are from England, you are English, French from France and Italian from Italy. What are you from the "TRNC". Don't tell me, you are a "TRNC"ian!!! Anyway, it is not too important, since most TC's in the UK consider themselves to be Cypriots. That means Missy, they are from Cyprus...Get it, they are from Cyprus, so yes, they are my people along with all the GC's there.

Elephant man aka Msss Kikapolousis,

You may claim that they are your people but this does not change the fact that you are a diluted individual living in cuckoo land (Swiss) who's ideology is nowhere near those from the UK, I know I am from there and I can assure you that the majority share my views and even have stronger feelings towards maintaining a separate state even though it is unrecognized. The fact that GCs and TCs get on in the UK under another mans laws is no indication of how it would be if they had to share power and run a country jointly, those people are not indigenous to the UK and accepted the rules and regulations when the made the decision to live there. We are indigenous and will never allow GCs to rule the whole of Cyprus alone, we want a guaranteed and effective say in our future.

Its only to be expected that you have not worked this out but people from the TRNC are called Turkish Cypriots, we are comfortable with our identity, you appear to be the one with the problem.

[george1]

I am shocked with what I read from both sides (TC's & GC's)!!!! We are in 2007 for God's sake!!!! Cyprus IS in EU!! The problem is very simple.... Yes we are Greek Cypriots our history background is at a big part Greek, Yes they are Turkish Cypriots their history background is at a big part Turkish... BUT WE ARE ALL CYPRIOTS!!!! And when we have realised that our Identity is solely CYPRIOT and nothing else then we can all live together in peace! And to do that we must first of all forget the MOTHERS (Greece & Turkey) and work on what connects us! We are not in 1960's in 1970's we are in 2007! A lot have changed but reading your postings really i wonder did we all of us learnt from our history and our mistakes? Seems like not... untill we all define ourselves as CYPRIOTS and be proud of this, and not in need of any "mothers" apart from the EU!

[kalahari]

Dear George

Your reaction to the scuffling that is going on here is extremely typical of any newcomer to the forum. Don't be worried, we ARE living in 2007, and there are many on this forum who feel just the same way as you do.

But what you are witnessing is ANOTHER scuffle between those of us who really enjoy letting each others blood. It's depressing, but mostly harmless, and if you stick around you'll discover that all participants have valid points of view under all the bullshit, and they're actually pretty decent fellows when they're not throwing their dummies.

Anyway, welcome to the forum George! To what do we owe the honour? Are you on the island or thinking of coming over?

Best, Kal

[EPSILON]

Kalahari
You are asking this question to the wrong person...
First of all,Zan lives in UK,not north Cyprus and secondly i believe his family moved to UK long before 1974..

anyway....lets get beck to your question.
You quoted "Having lived here for a while now, as a foreigner, I am aware of the prejudices one has to put up with, but nevertheless the Greek speaking Cypriots strike me as a peaceable enough bunch,"
The difference between you living amongst GC's and us TC's living there is that we are NOT foreigners...
Instead,according to 1960 Constitution we used to have a share in the present ROC government but your "peaceable" GC's did not like that idea,so using their numerical advantage they took the matter in their own hands to get rid of us (but that is another subject i wont go into now)

You also quote "Many Turkish speaking Cypriots regularly walk the streets of Greek Lefkosia with complete freedom every day. Why can they not just live there? Who is stopping them?"

Walking streets of Nicosia in freedom and living there as a partner in the administration is two completely different things....we do not accept to live in ROC under the same conditions as you foreigners do...we want,at least the rights 1960 constitution gave us and until GC's are willing to give us those rights, the present condition will not change..

hope that clears up your confusion..

You rights withdrawed and still under control of the Attila soldiers. The funny thing is that you request your rights in line with 1960 constitution , many of same still granded by the ROC Government , but the same consitution does not have any provision about the presence of the Attila soldiers. A constitution must be fully applied and the citizens can not choose which articles they prefer to apply and which not.

The violation of constitution by Greek Junta ended and the government is democraticly elected however the presence of Attila is still there.

These who are welcomed the Tcs in South with no restrictions are not doing well not because Tcs are not allowed to return to their homes or because they must have less rights but for the simple reason that their return should be the result of the recovering of the constitution and not appliance of part of it.

The last means that the occupied area remains under the control of the Attila and slowly slowly the South will be also a partnership with Attila.

This of course is the plan of Turkish side and the stupid Greek Cypriots politicians help very hard in this direction.

[RAFAELLA]

Okay, iceman

So the answer to my question is, there is nothing stopping any Turkish speaking Cypriot from relocating into the southern part of Cyprus as a permanent resident.

The individual would need to apply for citizenship? This is still not clear. If they WOULD need to apply for citizenship, despite being born in Cyprus, then surely that is official recognition by RoC of the status of the TRNC. Yes, no?

If they do not need to apply for citizenship then there really is nothing stopping them. You state your reasons for not availing yourself of this situation as being

Kalahari, Tcs can come and live to the free areas of CyR because they are considered citizens of CyR.

Tcs can have CyR birth certificates, ID cards and CyR/EU passports. They come to the free areas as they are granted free medical care etc.
And I am talking for the Tcs only, a turkish settler who was shipped to Cy from the deapths of Anatolia doesn't have any right as he shouldn't be in Cyprus at the first place.

Tcs have nothing to fear if they deside to live in the free areas. A bright example of this coexistance is the village of Pyla where Gcs & Tcs live peacefully even before 1974. (plus, Tcs do not pay electricity)

[kalahari]

That is very interesting Rafaella. Thank you for your input – I feel as if I am forming a far clearer picture of the status quo. Co-existence is good, and encouraging. What makes it even more encouraging is that it is happening here and now with Cypriots who actually live in Cyprus. It seems the problems exist more with those Cypriots who do not live in Cyprus any more.

[RAFAELLA]

That is very interesting Rafaella. Thank you for your input – I feel as if I am forming a far clearer picture of the status quo. Co-existence is good, and encouraging. What makes it even more encouraging is that it is happening here and now with Cypriots who actually live in Cyprus. It seems the problems exist more with those Cypriots who do not live in Cyprus any more.

...and to those brainwashed people that they use their propaganda to committe and support illegalities by violating international law.

I was told once the following:
When the Turkish teacher/ leader / fm /pm says the colour of milk is black, some fools start wondering if it really is black. So they go check it and what a surprise man: It is not black it is white! Then the Turkish teacher/ leader / fm /pm comes back and says you have to look at it with closed eyes. Then the fools go look at it and.... hey the Turkish teacher/ leader / fm /pm is right. The colour of milk is black!!! Then they start arguing to define milk as being equally black and equally white.

...and it didn't took me long to realize that.

[EPSILON]

First of all Northern Cyprus is the home of the Turkish Cypriots. I was born at Northern Cyprus in 1957.

My home is also in the occupied areas and 80% of the population there are Greek Cypriots. So don't tell me north Cyprus is the home of Turkish Cypriots. It is our home much much more than it is yours you fucking thief.

My friend Sotos you missed the point- Your house, my house, are the price for our mistakes.!!!!!! If we do not realise this, we will pay much more!!!!

[zan]

That is very interesting Rafaella. Thank you for your input – I feel as if I am forming a far clearer picture of the status quo. Co-existence is good, and encouraging. What makes it even more encouraging is that it is happening here and now with Cypriots who actually live in Cyprus. It seems the problems exist more with those Cypriots who do not live in Cyprus any more.

...and to those brainwashed people that they use their propaganda to committe and support illegalities by violating international law.

I was told once the following:
When the Turkish teacher/ leader / fm /pm says the colour of milk is black, some fools start wondering if it really is black. So they go check it and what a surprise man: It is not black it is white! Then the Turkish teacher/ leader / fm /pm comes back and says you have to look at it with closed eyes. Then the fools go look at it and.... hey the Turkish teacher/ leader / fm /pm is right. The colour of milk is black!!! Then they start arguing to define milk as being equally black and equally white.

...and it didn't took me long to realize that.

My my...They are all coming out of the woodwork now.....You were saying your racist crap two years ago madam......No change of heart then...