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[Talisker]

Get Real, I am wary of defining patriotism and make it a rule not to doubt anyone's bona fides on that point unless there is hard evidence.

I agree Nikitas. People do the most terrible things in the name of 'patriotism'. For example, from the US we have the following:
http://hatemonitor.csusb.edu/Research_a ... triot.html
and obviously numerous other examples from world history. Nothing wrong with loving your country and doing your best to defend it, but the ideology behind patriotism has been abused too many times to use the term glibly.

[Talisker]

With only a few days until the election have any differences emerged regarding policies of the principle candidates for solving the CyProb? Or is this not a vote winner?

[umit07]

Talisker the only plan Tpap has got is to use the EU to preasure Turkey, but that ain't going to well at the moment. The EU have matters with Turkey that are far more important than a few silly GC's barking up thier tree. As I see it all they are waiting and praying for is a weak moment for Turkey so that they can jump on it like scavengers.

[GreekForumer]

Talisker the only plan Tpap has got is to use the EU to preasure Turkey, but that ain't going to well at the moment. The EU have matters with Turkey that are far more important than a few silly GC's barking up thier tree. As I see it all they are waiting and praying for is a weak moment for Turkey so that they can jump on it like scavengers.

Barking ? Scavengers ?

Well, Turkey won't go to the Hague.
Turkey ignores Geneva conventions.
Turkey does not have the support of it's Muslim co-religionists (Iran,etc).
Or it's linguistic/cultural brothers (Turkmenistan, etc).
Even her allies (UK,USA) have told her (officially) to get out.
Turkey outnumbers GCs by 70 to 1.

How exactly do you advise GCs to struggle against such a state ?

[Get Real!]

The EU have matters with Turkey that are far more important than a few silly GC's barking up thier tree.

Right, so what's the chances of even fewer, sillier, and illegal Turkish Cypriots getting any attention from the UN regarding "embargoes" and "recognition"?

[repulsewarrior]

mr.T. firstly welcome.

In answer to your question, I do not think that there is a coherant strategy. It is a question of definition and denial.

Defining Bizonal has been left for some other moment other than the thirty odd years where it has been discussed.

Denying the Bicommunal nature of our Constitution has led to the division which we have today.

Based on the principals on which this country was founded, three governments must exist for it to be a State, as well as a representation of two Nationalities.

Bizonal does not mean the island divided in two. Rather it means two parts, each part being a collection of geographic components.

Cypriots are like in any other country citizens of a State which is Sovereign and whose mandate exists to defend the people as a whole, their Individual Rights, and their representitive as equals and united.

However, as persons, Cypriots have the desire to identify themselves in a manner where they can sustain their origins ethnicly.

I hope you will take the time to read this topic, as well as leaving me your comments.

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=15874

It is widely critisised (or ignored) I think because it is pan-Cypriot, rather than having a Turcic or Hellenic focus.

Thank-you for your participation, and I hope you will not tire as so many have, toward dialog and reason.

[umit07]

The EU have matters with Turkey that are far more important than a few silly GC's barking up thier tree.

Right, so what's the chances of even fewer, sillier, and illegal Turkish Cypriots getting any attention from the UN regarding "embargoes" and "recognition"?

To me recognition is no big deal and I think we should stop nagging so much about the embargoes there are ways of walking around the two. Just mark everything as "Made in Turkey" and it's OK .

Secondly the dispute in Cyprus is political , yes it does have legal aspects but it isn't something you will get finalized in court. As long as the world recognises the RoC as the legitimate gov. you are bound to win most court cases. But the conclusion up to now has been peanuts!

[umit07]

The problem for you GR is that we are getting attension ! Remember the Kofi Annan report on Cyprus which your pimp Russia blocked for you. I don't think there have been many reports by the general secretary himself to be blocked by the security council.

[Nikitas]

Talisker,

All three leading candidates are in favor of the BBF solution, bicommunal, biregional, federation.

Seeing them on RIK interviews, facing pro and con journalists, there are differences in the approach to the means they plan to use to achieve this BBF solution. Christofias wants to utilise the good contacts his party has with TCs. Kassoulides, as a current Eurodeputy, stresses the role of Europe. Papadopoulos wants a workable solution and goes into details more than the other two, something to be expected from a man who has been involved in the problem most of his working life.

All three candidates have emphasised the need to have a solution worked out by Cypriots this time, without the reliance on foreign powers shown in the past. None of the candidates have analysed the territorial aspect of the problem which for me is the most vital issue on many levels. Christofias did say that with the right territorial adjustments it is possible to have a bizonal solution, with all displaced GC returning to the north (as it will be under a solution) and still have a subsantial TC majority in the north. Reading the map, this would involve the return of major GC population centers, like Famagusta, Morphou, the bigger villages of Mesaoria, the Karpasia peninsula tip, and some kind of enclaves in Kyrenia and Lapithos thus returning more than three quarters of the displace people back to their properties.

All three candidates have said that any solution will have to be put to a referendum to get approved by the people of both communities.

Well, it is three days away to round one. I see a second round between Christofias and Papadopoulos.

[umit07]

Well, it is three days away to round one. I see a second round between Christofias and Papadopoulos.

Nikitas I see the same thing happening, the question is who will Kasoulides give out his votes to? I reckon Tpap.