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[Piratis]

“TRNC” is the name used by Turks to call the territory they occupy since 1974 when Turkish troops invaded and illegally occupied the northern part of the Republic of Cyprus. “TRNC” is the result of ethnically cleansing the great majority of the native Cypriot population from this occupied part and replacing them with Turkish settlers from Turkey.

The Turkish propaganda is trying to present the part of Cyprus that the Turkish army illegally occupies by defying UN resolutions and international law, as supposedly being "Turkish".

The fact is that the north part of Cyprus, just like any other part of Cyprus, not only is the homeland of 5+ times more Greek Cypriots than Turkish Cypriots, but the Cypriot and Greek history spans 1000s of years, while the appearance of the Turkish minority is much more recent and a result of the intimidation and oppression that Cypriots had to go through during the Ottoman rule. Similar minorities for the same reasons were created in most other territories of the former Ottoman empire.

Declaring by force a "Turkish republic of northern Cyprus" on land that is majority Greek Cypriot, both in terms of population, ownership and in terms of history and culture, is of course unacceptable, and this is why the only country that recognizes this illegally declared pseudo state is no other that Turkey herself.

The cheap excuses that Turkey used to invade and occupy Cyprus where indeed so cheap that could not be publicly accepted even by the closest Turkish allies, the UK and USA.

RESOLUTION 353 (1974)

Adopted by the Security Council at its 1771st meeting,
on 20 July 1974



The Security Council,

Having considered the report of the Secretary-General, at its 1779th meeting, about the recent developments in Cyprus,

Having heard the statement of the President of the Republic of Cyprus and the statements of the representatives of Cyprus, Turkey, Greece and other Member States,

Noting also from the report the conditions prevailing in the island,

Deeply deploring the outbreak of violence and the continuing bloodshed,

Gravely concerned about the situation which has led to a serious threat to international peace and security, and which has created a most explosive situation in the whole Eastern Mediterranean area,

Equally concerned about the necessity to restore the constitutional structure of the Republic of Cyprus, established and guaranteed by international agreements,

Conscious of its primary responsibility for the maintenance of international peace and security in accordance with Article 24 of the Charter of the United Nations,

1.Calls upon all States to respect the sovereignty, independence and territorial integrity of Cyprus.

2.Calls upon all parties to the present fighting as a first step to cease all firing and requests all States to exercise the utmost restraint and to refrain from any action which might further aggravate the situation;

3.Demands an immediate end to foreign military intervention in the Republic of Cyprus that is in contravention of the provisions of paragraph 1 above;

4. Requests the withdrawal without delay from the Republic of Cyprus of foreign military personnel present otherwise than under the authority of international agreements, including those whose withdrawal was requested by the President of the Republic of Cyprus, Archbishop Makarios, in his letter of 2 July 1974;

5. Calls upon Greece, Turkey and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland to enter into negotiations without delay for the restoration of peace in the area and constitutional government of Cyprus and to keep the Secretary-General informed;

6. Calls upon all parties to co-operate fully with the United Nations Peace-keeping Force in Cyprus to enable it to carry out its mandate;

7. Decides to keep the situation under constant review and asks the Secretary-General to report as appropriate with a view to adopting further measures in order to ensure that peaceful conditions are restored as soon as possible.

Adopted unanimously at the 1781st meeting.
http://www.un.int/cyprus/scr354.htm

RESOLUTION 541 (1983)

Adopted by the Security Council
on 18 November 1983


The Security Council,

Having heard the statement of the Foreign Minister of the Government of the Republic of Cyprus,

Concerned at the declaration by the Turkish Cypriot authorities issued on 15 November 1983 which purports to create in independent state in northern Cyprus,

Considering that this declaration is incompatible with the 1960 Treaty concerning the establishment of the Republic of Cyprus and the 1960 Treaty of Guarantee,

Considering therefore that the attempt to create a "Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus" is invalid, and will contribute to a worsening of the situation in Cyprus,

Reaffirming its resolutions 365(1974) and 367(1975),

Aware of the need of a solution to the Cyprus problem, based on the mission of good offices undertaken by the Secretary-General,

Affirming its continued support for the United Nations Peace- keeping Force in Cyprus,

Taking note of the Secretary-Generals statement of 17 November 1983,

1. Deplores the declaration of the Turkish Cypriot authorities of the purported secession of part of the Republic of Cyprus;

2. Considers the declaration refereed to above as legally invalid and calls for its withdrawal;

3. Calls for the urgent and effective implementation of its resolutions 365(1974) and 367(1975);

4. Requests the Secretary-General to peruse his mission of good offices in order to achieve the earliest possible progress towards a just and lasting settlement in Cyprus;

5. Calls upon the parties to co-operate with the Secretary- General in his mission of good offices;

6. Calls upon all states to respect the sovereignty, independence, territorial integrity and non-alignment of the Republic of Cyprus;

7. Calls upon all states not to recognise any Cypriot state other than the Republic of Cyprus;

8. Calls upon all states and the two communities in Cyprus to refrain from any action which might exacerbate the situation;

9. Requests the Secretary-General to keep the Security Council fully informed.

http://www.un.int/cyprus/scr541.htm

[zan]

"RoC" formed after the implementation of the Akritas Plan that involved the systematic murder of Turkish Cypriots and the fooling of the UN to intervene in so called intercommunal fighting. This allowed the Greek president Makarios to usurp the Republics island and claim to be the legitimate government of Cyprus. The second phase was then carried out in 1974 when the "Coup" allowed Makarios to call for intervention from the UN again which would seal the false government, being the GC administration, as the only legal government. The GCs claim that the "RoC" is the same government as was formed by the Zurich agreement but it has no resemblance to that government whose constitution has been changed without the legal vote of the TC contingent. This in turn makes Turkeys intervention and presence legal because there is no Cyprus Republic to hand the island back to. When that government reconvenes and proper order is resumed as in the Cyprus Republic and not the "RoC" then Turkeys presence can be deemed illegal. The tricks the GC admin has played and the Isolation imposed on the Turkish Cypriot People as a whole is as inhumane as it was in 1963 when we were forced into 3% of our own country at the point of a gun. Stop the inhumanity. Stop the Embargoes and isolation of a peaceful and wronged people.

[Murataga]

"RoC" formed after the implementation of the Akritas Plan that involved the systematic murder of Turkish Cypriots and the fooling of the UN to intervene in so called intercommunal fighting. This allowed the Greek president Makarios to usurp the Republics island and claim to be the legitimate government of Cyprus. The second phase was then carried out in 1974 when the "Coup" allowed Makarios to call for intervention from the UN again which would seal the false government, being the GC administration, as the only legal government. The GCs claim that the "RoC" is the same government as was formed by the Zurich agreement but it has no resemblance to that government whose constitution has been changed without the legal vote of the TC contingent. This in turn makes Turkeys intervention and presence legal because there is no Cyprus Republic to hand the island back to. When that government reconvenes and proper order is resumed as in the Cyprus Republic and not the "RoC" then Turkeys presence can be deemed illegal. The tricks the GC admin has played and the Isolation imposed on the Turkish Cypriot People as a whole is as inhumane as it was in 1963 when we were forced into 3% of our own country at the point of a gun. Stop the inhumanity. Stop the Embargoes and isolation of a peaceful and wronged people.

Zan - as long as the likes of this guy have the political advantage on their side, they will always continue with their crimes against the TCs. Truth and justice means nothing to them. As long as they can have others turning their head to the other side while they are devastating the TCs it is going to go on - forever. They have built their fortune on our blood and misery. They have become experts at taking away from us and you know what: now they want more than they ever did!

[Piratis]

You people are pathetic.

Here is how the Turks came to our island:

Throughout the period of Venetian rule, Ottoman Turks raided and attacked at will. In 1489, the first year of Venetian control, Turks attacked the Karpas Peninsula, pillaging and taking captives to be sold into slavery. In 1539 the Turkish fleet attacked and destroyed Limassol. Fearing the ever-expanding Ottoman Empire, the Venetians had fortified Famagusta, Nicosia, and Kyrenia, but most other cities were easy prey.

In the summer of 1570, the Turks struck again, but this time with a full-scale invasion rather than a raid. About 60,000 troops, including cavalry and artillery, under the command of Lala Mustafa Pasha landed unopposed near Limassol on July 2, 1570, and laid siege to Nicosia. In an orgy of victory on the day that the city fell--September 9, 1570--20,000 Nicosians were put to death, and every church, public building, and palace was looted.

Since then, and almost without a break, the Turks continued sloughing Cypriots by the 1000s and violating our human rights, something that they continue doing today against international law and by defying the UN resolutions.

And then they have the nerve of accusing us, because during a tiny part of history they had a few 100s of casualties as well, a drop in the ocean compared to what they have done and continue doing to us, and which would have never happened if they had not invaded our island to begin with.

Example:

They have built their fortune on our blood and misery.

Murataga, maybe you forget that you are the ones who invaded our island, slaughtering 1000s of people, oppressing the Cypriots and exploiting Cyprus against the will of the native Cypriot population. I don't remember Cypriots invading Turkey to kill you or built fortune on your misery. Thats exactly what you did and continue doing against us and our land. Today for example you sell the land you stole from our refugees to some foreigners in order to profit from this criminal and illegal trsaction.

Take your Turkish propaganda elsewhere my friend. Your excuses are so cheap not even your closest allies can publicly accept them.

now they want more than they ever did

No mate. We now want what we always wanted. Freedom from foreign troops and our self-determination on our own island.

You are the ones who insist on crimes and illegalities against us. Although we have suffered hugely by you, we are still willing to accept the members of your minority as equal citizens of this country, but not as the rulers of our island or any part of it.

[Murataga]

You people are pathetic.

Here is how the Turks came to our island:

Throughout the period of Venetian rule, Ottoman Turks raided and attacked at will. In 1489, the first year of Venetian control, Turks attacked the Karpas Peninsula, pillaging and taking captives to be sold into slavery. In 1539 the Turkish fleet attacked and destroyed Limassol. Fearing the ever-expanding Ottoman Empire, the Venetians had fortified Famagusta, Nicosia, and Kyrenia, but most other cities were easy prey.

In the summer of 1570, the Turks struck again, but this time with a full-scale invasion rather than a raid. About 60,000 troops, including cavalry and artillery, under the command of Lala Mustafa Pasha landed unopposed near Limassol on July 2, 1570, and laid siege to Nicosia. In an orgy of victory on the day that the city fell--September 9, 1570--20,000 Nicosians were put to death, and every church, public building, and palace was looted.

Since then, and almost without a break, the Turks continued sloughing Cypriots by the 1000s and violating our human rights, something that they continue doing today against international law and by defying the UN resolutions.

And then they have the nerve of accusing us, because during a tiny part of history they had a few 100s of casualties as well, a drop in the ocean compared to what they have done and continue doing to us, and which would have never happened if they had not invaded our island to begin with.

Example:

They have built their fortune on our blood and misery.

Murataga, maybe you forget that you are the ones who invaded our island, slaughtering 1000s of people, oppressing the Cypriots and exploiting Cyprus against the will of the native Cypriot population. I don't remember Cypriots invading Turkey to kill you or built fortune on your misery. Thats exactly what you did and continue doing against us and our land. Today for example you sell the land you stole from our refugees to some foreigners in order to profit from this criminal and illegal trsaction.

Take your Turkish propaganda elsewhere my friend. Your excuses are so cheap not even your closest allies can publicly accept them.

now they want more than they ever did

No mate. We now want what we always wanted. Freedom from foreign troops and our self-determination on our own island.

You are the ones who insist on crimes and illegalities against us. Although we have suffered hugely by you, we are still willing to accept the members of your minority as equal citizens of this country, but not as the rulers of our island or any part of it.

1- I am not the Ottoman Army - they did the invasion, not me. Yet I got to be ejected from the RoC, I got to be enclaved, I got to be murdered, and I got to be embargoed for refusing your attempt to annex this island to Greece in our day.

2 - The Ottomans took island from the Venetians not the GCs. They fought the Venetians not the GCs.

3- You have yet to show on this forum a single piece of credible evidence of the Ottoman Army killing GCs by the thousands during the invasion of Cyprus. Show us even evidence of GCs resisting, if not inviting, the invasion of the Ottomans.

4- If you called a GC a "Cypriot" as opposed to a Greek or a Greek Cypriot a couple of decades ago they would have laughed their butt off to you for they would have cnsidered it an insult. Greek Cypriots, who have historically came here from Greece, stood for Greek/Hellenic ideals, ambitions, policies, and interests which is pretty much the case today. Changing your name does not hide your criiminal agenda of Hellenizing this island.

Save your propaganda to your kid.

[Get Real!]

"TRNC" campaigners seem to get some of their ideas from the Tamil Tigers of Sri Lanka...

Ponnambalam and his colleagues stood for the principle of minority representation of the Tamils. They believed that without it the minority Tamils would become second class citizens. For the opposing viewpoint see Solomon Bandaranaike. Ponnambalam asked for a 50% representation of Tamils in parliament even though the Tamils only constituted 20% of Sri Lanka. This was immediately rejected and rebuked by the British Governor General as a "mockery of democracy”.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G._G._Ponnambalam

[humanist]

I'll go with GR on this one

[Nikitas]

"The Ottomans took island from the Venetians not the GCs. They fought the Venetians not the GCs. "

I have heard this bullshit argument many times in the past and never responsed because I assumed the posters knew it was bullshit.

If the GCs formed the bulk of the population under the Venetians that should ring the bells in the brain of most intelligent people to lead them to ask, where did all these Greek Orthodox subjects of the Venetians come from?

Well they were the indigenous population of the island since before the Venetians. That is why in Cyprus we have Helennistic monuments, and churches dating back to the earliest Christian times. The contention that the Turks did not take the island from its indigenous people but from some passing overlord reflects negatively on the people making this argument. It shows their true inner colonialist self. It is like England sayng it did not take Germany's African colonies from the Africans but from its German colonialists. It is not a wise argument to use in the 21st century. According to this thinking Namibia should not be free but should revert to Germany, which is bullshit.

Then there is that crap that the island never belonged to Greece. Well Greece as a state did not exist before 1829. And Turkey did not exist before 1923. So Turkey could not have been the overlord of Cyprus either.

IT is time to let this bullshit aside. The pressing problem exists today when Turkey wants to impose Taksim and Enosis on the north. And the question is what are the TCs going to to do about it. They either accept or reject, there is no third way here. Until that choice is made the rest is debating society stuff.

[Piratis]

1- I am not the Ottoman Army - they did the invasion, not me. Yet I got to be ejected from the RoC, I got to be enclaved, I got to be murdered, and I got to be embargoed for refusing your attempt to annex this island to Greece in our day.

According to your own history books you are in fact those same Ottomans that invaded and occupied Cyprus like you invaded every other Greek island and territory. If you are not those, then tell me when exactly "Turkish Cypriots" dropped from the sky in Cyprus. So not only you are the ones who started it all, but for every one of your people that got murdered, you murdered 100s of ours. So how the hell can you pretend to be the victim?

2 - The Ottomans took island from the Venetians not the GCs. They fought the Venetians not the GCs.

Cyprus is our island, and whom you slaughtered, oppressed and violated the rights were and are the Cypriots, not any Venetians.

3- You have yet to show on this forum a single piece of credible evidence of the Ottoman Army killing GCs by the thousands during the invasion of Cyprus. Show us even evidence of GCs resisting, if not inviting, the invasion of the Ottomans.

Get real my friend. You are crying and pretend to be the victim because you lost a few 100s of people and then you are telling us that we supposedly wanted to be slaughtered by the 1000s and be oppressed by the Turks? The quote I gave above is from your own good friends and allies, the USA Congress official website, since I am sure you would dismiss at once everything that the native Cypriot people have to say about their oppression by the Turks.

4- If you called a GC a "Cypriot" as opposed to a Greek or a Greek Cypriot a couple of decades ago they would have laughed their butt off to you for they would have cnsidered it an insult. Greek Cypriots, who have historically came here from Greece, stood for Greek/Hellenic ideals, ambitions, policies, and interests which is pretty much the case today. Changing your name does not hide your criiminal agenda of Hellenizing this island.

Cyprus was Hellenized thousands years ago. The great majority of the population are Greeks, who speak Greek, are Greek Orthodox Christians (formerly believers of the 12 Gods of Olympus - one of which was Cypriot) and follow Greek Traditions. This has been the case for 1000s of years. Is that not Hellenic enough for you?

What is criminal is your attempt to Turkify Cyprus by means of invasions, slaughterings and ethnic cleanings. And not only that, but you are also changing the names of our villages, destroying our churches, trying to fake the history of this island, all in your attempt to steal part of Cyprus from the native Cypriot population and make it a Turkish province, as it has been your aim since the 50s.

[Murataga]

"The Ottomans took island from the Venetians not the GCs. They fought the Venetians not the GCs. "

I have heard this bullshit argument many times in the past and never responsed because I assumed the posters knew it was bullshit.

If the GCs formed the bulk of the population under the Venetians that should ring the bells in the brain of most intelligent people to lead them to ask, where did all these Greek Orthodox subjects of the Venetians come from?

Well they were the indigenous population of the island since before the Venetians. That is why in Cyprus we have Helennistic monuments, and churches dating back to the earliest Christian times. The contention that the Turks did not take the island from its indigenous people but from some passing overlord reflects negatively on the people making this argument. It shows their true inner colonialist self. It is like England sayng it did not take Germany's African colonies from the Africans but from its German colonialists. It is not a wise argument to use in the 21st century. According to this thinking Namibia should not be free but should revert to Germany, which is bullshit.

Greek Cypriots are not indigenous, unlike Africans in Africa. So it is like Germans claiming they are African and that England took Africa from them as Africans. GCs arrived from Greece and continued to live as Greeks, they identified and called themselves Greeks, they have recently launched an offensive to join with Greece, and ever since they stepped foot on this island they continue to live by Greek principles, interests, policies, ideals, culture language, religion... A name change does not do the job for promoting their criminal agenda of Hellenizing this island.

Then there is that crap that the island never belonged to Greece. Well Greece as a state did not exist before 1829. And Turkey did not exist before 1923. So Turkey could not have been the overlord of Cyprus either.

IT is time to let this bullshit aside. The pressing problem exists today when Turkey wants to impose Taksim and Enosis on the north. And the question is what are the TCs going to to do about it. They either accept or reject, there is no third way here. Until that choice is made the rest is debating society stuff.

The pressing problem exists today is the criminal GC regime`s persistence on their theft and usurpation against the TCs and destroying the rights of the TCs of this island. What are YOU doing about it ?