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[Natty]

Notice the dates in the above. Between 1960 and 1963 TMT was busy terrorising the TCs and forcing on them a policy of separation and exclusion. EOKA could not have done it alone, TMT had to be helping out.

Nikitas, I get confused when people talk about EOKA committing crimes in the 60's, I thought that EOKA ran from 1955-59? Were many of the men who attacked TC's during this period ex-EOKA men? Is this why people say that is was EOKA?

[Nikitas]

Here is one for TC straigth from the pen of a respected TC doctor submitted as evidence to the UK parliament

"The Turkish Cypriot community has been under the effective control of the Turkish military since 1 August 1958, when command of the Turkish Cypriot underground organization TMT[79] was given to a mainland Turkish officer. From that day on the plan of the mainland Turkish "deep state"[80] under the code name "KIP" (Kibris Istirdat Plani Gaining Back Cyprus) was put into effect."

[Nikitas]

Natty,

The name EOKA is used somewhat indiscriminately by both sides to this debate. EOKA was disbanded in 1959 and some of its fighters were awarded government positions.

Once the intercommunal fighting broke out in December 1963 some EOKA fighters were involved but that did not constitute a resurrection of the original organization. They were part of a larger irregular force.

In the early 70s a thing called EOKA B was formed which had very littel to do with EOKA or its ideology. They were young people disenchanted with the independence, as opposed to Enosis, policy that Cyprus was pursuing and they mounted an insurrection campaign against the Cyprus government. They were officered and financed by the dictatorship in Greece. That is about it in a nutshell.

The original EOKA did very little fighting with Turkish Cypriots. No matter what people here, or eslewhere say, it just did not have the resources and the manpower to fight large battles against settled populations. Its actions were hit and run against British patrols and installations. It did kill a number of Greek Cypriots it accused of collaborating with the British. Of all that has been written about the EOKA the most valid work remains the memoire of its founder General George Grivas.

[Natty]

Natty,

The name EOKA is used somewhat indiscriminately by both sides to this debate. EOKA was disbanded in 1959 and some of its fighters were awarded government positions.

Once the intercommunal fighting broke out in December 1963 some EOKA fighters were involved but that did not constitute a resurrection of the original organization. They were part of a larger irregular force.

In the early 70s a thing called EOKA B was formed which had very littel to do with EOKA or its ideology. They were young people disenchanted with the independence, as opposed to Enosis, policy that Cyprus was pursuing and they mounted an insurrection campaign against the Cyprus government. They were officered and financed by the dictatorship in Greece. That is about it in a nutshell.

The original EOKA did very little fighting with Turkish Cypriots. No matter what people here, or eslewhere say, it just did not have the resources and the manpower to fight large battles against settled populations. Its actions were hit and run against British patrols and installations. It did kill a number of Greek Cypriots it accused of collaborating with the British. Of all that has been written about the EOKA the most valid work remains the memoire of its founder General George Grivas.

Thanks for clearing that up Nikitas, I thought that was the case, but as you say, the name EOKA gets used so often when describing the events in the 60's I thought that perhaps I was wrong in thinking that the organization really was disbanded in 1959.

[zan]

When, in 1878, Cyprus passed to British
rule, an aggressive ritualism became the
main feature of the Greek Church in the Is­
land, which was accepted by the Cyprus
Communists. And the unbelievable growth
of Communism in Cyprus embittered and
aggravated the Enosis movementIn 1948 the Greek Orthodox Church re­
jected a self­government offer made by the
British government on the grounds that self­
government would be “the grave of
Enosis”18. The Communists grabbed the
chance, and on 23 November 1949 the mu­
nicipal councils of Larnaca, Famagusta, Li­
massol and Morphou, largely controlled by



http://www.eumed.net/entelequia/pdf/2007/e05a02.pdf

Dimitris Michalopoulos(*)



When did ENOSIS start again

[Nikitas]

"Aggressive ritualism" que est ce que c'est ca?

The priests got out on the town and hit people with their incense burners?

[Nikitas]

I read that piece linked. It is mostly the ramblings of a Greek mainlander who knows nothing of Cypriots, either Greek or Turkish. But there is one line that stands above all others and it is this:

"Further analysis is quite inappropriate, for the 1974 Cyprus affair is still classified in Greece."

and this is the key to the whole story. Why is it still classified? Who will be hurt by revelations of the whole story? Who agreed with who to do what in Cyprus in 1974? Bearing in mind that the people who keep the file closed are mainland Greeks, not Cypriots, is telling.

[zan]

I read that piece linked. It is mostly the ramblings of a Greek mainlander who knows nothing of Cypriots, either Greek or Turkish. But there is one line that stands above all others and it is this:

"Further analysis is quite inappropriate, for the 1974 Cyprus affair is still classified in Greece."

and this is the key to the whole story. Why is it still classified? Who will be hurt by revelations of the whole story? Who agreed with who to do what in Cyprus in 1974? Bearing in mind that the people who keep the file closed are mainland Greeks, not Cypriots, is telling.

The Enosis dream is at least 100 years old if not more Nikitas so please cut the crap. The timeline is clear and the fact that the Turks had to counteract this is also clear

[RAFAELLA]

Rafaella posted an exceprt about the TMT that says:

"It was finally disbanded after the Turkish invasion in 1974"

Are you sure? I think many TMT members are around and some in this forum too!

[Nikitas]

"The Enosis dream is at least 100 years old if not more Nikitas so please cut the crap. The timeline is clear and the fact that the Turks had to counteract this is also clear "

The reason it is classified, and this is my very personal take on the reason, is that it involved an agreed double union. It was a conspiracy to cut up and independent UN member state. The deal got buggered up because of the unexpected resistance and failure to kill Makarios. Declassifying the documents would mean revealing who the conspirators were. One fact that stands out in all of this is the exclamation by chief dictator Iannidis: :"the bastards betrayed me". He has not talked about it and refuses to do so. He is now in his 80s and in jail.

This has nothing to do with the original idea of Enosis which is fully documented anyway and no one needs to hide it.