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[zan]

Zan, you use some anonymous document to excuse the murder of 1000s of the ethnic cleansing of 100s of thousands?

The truth is that you are the ones who have killed us by the 1000s and 10s of thousands, you are the ones who started the whole conflict by invading our island in the first place, you are the ones who made plans to occupy half of our country and ethnically cleanse us from it and eventually you put those plans into action.

What you have against is just a product of your imagination and propaganda. Because some Greek Cypriot once wrote a document, not about killing anybody, but about how Cypriots would gain the self-determination that was denied to us, not only you attribute that document to our president, but you also claim that document was made to "steal your home and murder your people" while it nowhere says any such thing. All we ever wanted was our freedom from the foreign invadors of our island Zan, nothing more than that. You are the murderers and criminals who have killed and denied our rights for centuries and continue to do so today, so you can steal our homes and exploit our island.

You have our islands identity. You have changed it from being the Cyprus Republic to the "RoC". Your own Makarios said the Zurich agreement was null and void. You have tricked your way into he EU in which the constitution means nothing. The evidence is there for all to see. The very real document of he Akritas Plan shows us how you achieved this......What is there to doubt.

[Piratis]

You killed 1000s of people and ethnically cleansed 100s of thousands to steal our lands and then you are trying to cover this by saying that "we tricked our way in EU" and all that crap?

We have always acted legally, unlike you. Thats why Republic of Cyprus is the only legal state in Cyprus and we entered the EU.

Yes, in the 60s some Greek Cypriots did not like the 1960 agreements and they worked against them. But what they wanted and tried was to restore the self-determination rights of Cypriots that were denied to us, not to harm the TCs.

On the other side, the one you refuse to acknowledge that it exists and you choose not to comment, many TCs also did not accept the 1960 agreements and they fought for partition, which unlike union with Greece, it involved the human rights violations and the ethnic cleansing of 100s of thousands of Cypriots from there homes.

So even in this small period of history that you keep talking about as if that was the beginning or the end of your crimes against us, your share of responsibility and amount of crimes is at least an equal one.

So Zan, if you want to look back in history and appropriate blame so you will punish the "bad" ones and reward the "good" ones, then you need to look at all events, not just the few that suit you.

But we all know that all you are trying to do is to find excuses to continue doing what you have always done since the day you set your foot on our island: Occupy our lands and violate our rights. For the Turks there will always be some excuse to kill and steal the land of others. Some "akritas document", some past conflict that is distorted beyond recognition to suit you and magically associated with an invasion that happened years later, even the Ottoman invasion of Cyprus where you killed 10s of thousands of people and oppressed Cyprus for 3+ centuries was excused by some TC member by saying that "Cypriot pirates" harmed Turks and therefore Cypriots deserved what they got.

You did a ton of crimes in Cyprus and you have never admitted any of them no matter how obvious they are. All you know is how to sign your propaganda poem: "We are the innocent Turks and we deserve to have 1/3rd of Cyprus that we stole from Cypriots because Cypriots are bad"

You are full of lame excuses my friend. Just admit that you have not changed one bit from your barbarian ancestors and all you care about is what they cared about: How to conquer, kill and take the land of others.

[zan]

:roll: You killed 1000s of people and ethnically cleansed 100s of thousands to steal our lands and then you are trying to cover this by saying that "we tricked our way in EU" and all that crap?

We have always acted legally, unlike you. Thats why Republic of Cyprus is the only legal state in Cyprus and we entered the EU.

Yes, in the 60s some Greek Cypriots did not like the 1960 agreements and they worked against them. But what they wanted and tried was to restore the self-determination rights of Cypriots that were denied to us, not to harm the TCs.

On the other side, the one you refuse to acknowledge that it exists and you choose not to comment, many TCs also did not accept the 1960 agreements and they fought for partition, which unlike union with Greece, it involved the human rights violations and the ethnic cleansing of 100s of thousands of Cypriots from there homes.

So even in this small period of history that you keep talking about as if that was the beginning or the end of your crimes against us, your share of responsibility and amount of crimes is at least an equal one.

So Zan, if you want to look back in history and appropriate blame so you will punish the "bad" ones and reward the "good" ones, then you need to look at all events, not just the few that suit you.

But we all know that all you are trying to do is to find excuses to continue doing what you have always done since the day you set your foot on our island: Occupy our lands and violate our rights. For the Turks there will always be some excuse to kill and steal the land of others. Some "akritas document", some past conflict that is distorted beyond recognition to suit you and magically associated with an invasion that happened years later, even the Ottoman invasion of Cyprus where you killed 10s of thousands of people and oppressed Cyprus for 3+ centuries was excused by some TC member by saying that "Cypriot pirates" harmed Turks and therefore Cypriots deserved what they got.

You did a ton of crimes in Cyprus and you have never admitted any of them no matter how obvious they are. All you know is how to sign your propaganda poem: "We are the innocent Turks and we deserve to have 1/3rd of Cyprus that we stole from Cypriots because Cypriots are bad"

You are full of lame excuses my friend. Just admit that you have not changed one bit from your barbarian ancestors and all you care about is what they cared about: How to conquer, kill and take the land of others.

[Piratis]

OK Zan, I should have put a footnote in what you highlighted in red:

*Note: This is true unless who is judging is a Turk. For Turks what is illegal for everybody else (e.g. "trnc") is legal, and what is legal for everybody else can be illegal. This is no surprise from the people that have their jails full with journalists and people who dared to insult their "Turkishness". They have their own unique way of thinking about justice and legality (which basically translates to: What suits us is legal, what doesn't suit us is illegal).

[zan]

OK Zan, I should have put a footnote in what you highlighted in red:

*Note: This is true unless who is judging is a Turk. For Turks what is illegal for everybody else (e.g. "trnc") is legal, and what is legal for everybody else can be illegal. This is no surprise from the people that have their jails full with journalists and people who dared to insult their "Turkishness". They have their own unique way of thinking about justice and legality (which basically translates to: What suits us is legal, what doesn't suit us is illegal).

The murdering and pushing of my people into 3% of heir own home was legal to you was it. The giving of a one way ticket from Cyprus to any Tc by Makarios was legal was it. The changing of he constitution without the TC representation was legal was it

Just because your clever lawyer leader found loop holes to justify these does not make them legal but makes them twice as immoral....

[Piratis]

OK Zan, I should have put a footnote in what you highlighted in red:

*Note: This is true unless who is judging is a Turk. For Turks what is illegal for everybody else (e.g. "trnc") is legal, and what is legal for everybody else can be illegal. This is no surprise from the people that have their jails full with journalists and people who dared to insult their "Turkishness". They have their own unique way of thinking about justice and legality (which basically translates to: What suits us is legal, what doesn't suit us is illegal).

The murdering and pushing of my people into 3% of heir own home was legal to you was it. The giving of a one way ticket from Cyprus to any Tc by Makarios was legal was it. The changing of he constitution without the TC representation was legal was it

Just because your clever lawyer leader found loop holes to justify these does not make them legal but makes them twice as immoral....

That 3% propaganda of yours was busted by kifeas a few months ago, and the murdering was both ways, but aparently you refuse to admit the crimes you commited so you can continue to pretnet to be the virgin Mary.

No "one way tickets" where given either. In fact the population of TCs, both in terms of absolute numbers and in terms of percentage of the Cyprus population had in fact increased between 1960 and 1974.

The constitution has not been changed, and this is something you can verify by just reading it instead of spouting lame propaganda.

Any more lame excuses Zan?

[denizaksulu]

OK Zan, I should have put a footnote in what you highlighted in red:

*Note: This is true unless who is judging is a Turk. For Turks what is illegal for everybody else (e.g. "trnc") is legal, and what is legal for everybody else can be illegal. This is no surprise from the people that have their jails full with journalists and people who dared to insult their "Turkishness". They have their own unique way of thinking about justice and legality (which basically translates to: What suits us is legal, what doesn't suit us is illegal).

The murdering and pushing of my people into 3% of heir own home was legal to you was it. The giving of a one way ticket from Cyprus to any Tc by Makarios was legal was it. The changing of he constitution without the TC representation was legal was it

Just because your clever lawyer leader found loop holes to justify these does not make them legal but makes them twice as immoral....

That 3% propaganda of yours was busted by kifeas a few months ago, and the murdering was both ways, but aparently you refuse to admit the crimes you commited so you can continue to pretnet to be the virgin Mary.

No "one way tickets" where given either. In fact the population of TCs, both in terms of absolute numbers and in terms of percentage of the Cyprus population had in fact increased between 1960 and 1974.

The constitution has not been changed, and this is something you can verify by just reading it instead of spouting lame propaganda.

Any more lame excuses Zan?

I'd like tosee where you got this from Piratis.

In the meantime have Merry Christmas, not withstanding the 'Blody Noel' you lot let us have in 1963, which began the great Exodus of TCs to the UK and Australia.

Regards

[Piratis]

Here from a link that Zan gave some time ago:
http://kypros.org/Cyprus/cy_republic/demography.html

Apparently your "great Exodus" was not as great. Just you like to exaggerate by a factor of 100 as always. For your information there are much more Greek Cypriots abroad than Turkish Cypriots.

You like to pretend to be the only victims when in fact Greek Cypriots are the ones who have been victimized way more and for far longer periods, including today and during the last 33 years.

When you put things into perspective you will realize that your "great exodus" and "great suffering" are a drop in the ocean compared to the hardships you have caused to us. However you insist on looking just one side of the story trying to find excuses to continue with crimes against us.

[denizaksulu]

Here from a link that Zan gave some time ago:
http://kypros.org/Cyprus/cy_republic/demography.html

Apparently your "great Exodus" was not as great. Just you like to exaggerate by a factor of 100 as always. For your information there are much more Greek Cypriots abroad than Turkish Cypriots.

You like to pretend to be the only victims when in fact Greek Cypriots are the ones who have been victimized way more and for far longer periods, including today and during the last 33 years.

When you put things into perspective you will realize that your "great exodus" and "great suffering" are a drop in the ocean compared to the hardships you have caused to us. However you insist on looking just one side of the story trying to find excuses to continue with crimes against us.

With the master of exagerations like yourself who needs others.

Nowhere do I ever state that TCs were the only victims of the Cypprob.
I have always stressed the suffering of both sides.

Cerry on enjoying Chrismas, lest you get indigestion.

[BirKibrisli]

The tragedy is most people cannot see the role of their own community in our tragic saga. It is so easy to blame the "other" for everything that went wrong...This is probably the biggest reason why we are not likely to find a solution in a near future...And why we will need to wait for the solution to be imposed on us by others,at some later date. But rest assured that any such solution will serve the interests of those who impose the solution,and not the interests of us,Cypriots...Which bring tears to my eyes,because it shows we learnt nothing from our past mistakes...

There is an urgent need for us to discover some objective facts about what went wrong back in the 50s and 60s. Without them we will only maintain the rage we feel againt the other side...Hence no peace in Cyprus...