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[zan]

You compare yourselves with Palestine?

In fact it is exactly the opposite:
Palestinian territories are illegally occupied by Israel just like Turks illegally occupy north part of Cyprus.
Israel moved 10s of thousands of Settlers in the Palestinian territories in order to change the demographics of those areas. Thats exactly what Turkey does in Cyprus.

So you, the aggressors, don't try to present yourselves as the victims.

Men, women and children that you murdered and buried in mass graves are the victims Piratis...We are your worst nightmare.

[Bananiot]

Do everyone a favour Kifeas. Stop trying to copy your legalistic master. BBF is based on a philosophy which has at its core the political equality of the two communities. This is what Papadopoulos is trying to deny and hopefully to trick the stupid franks and attach a different philosophy to it. Okay, he has tried and he failed, at a huge cost to our side. Get over it.

Also crucial to BBF is the numerical majorities of the two component states. The Turkish Cypriots will be guaranteed a numerical majority in their component state and the Greek Cypriots in their component state.

This is the only scenario that the two communities can hope to agree upon in order to reach a mutually accepted solution and anything else that may be proposed is simply playing with fire. Even Koutsou has probably seen this and he has stopped talking about the return to the 1960 constitution, at least publicly. I am pretty sure that once this has been clarified (by a creditable President) the other side will agree to make significant concessions. If not, we will hold all the aces in the international community and its institutions and Turkey will find itself in the same mess it was before the days of Papadopoulos.

[Nikitas]

Bananiot, can you please clarify what "significant concessions" the other side will make?

According to the Annan plan they would give back the demilitarised zone plus three per cent of the territory. This would leave them with 30 per cent of the island and more than half it coast line. Not bad for 18 per cent of the population.

So what could they be conceding this time round?

[zan]

Bananiot, can you please clarify what "significant concessions" the other side will make?

According to the Annan plan they would give back the demilitarised zone plus three per cent of the territory. This would leave them with 30 per cent of the island and more than half it coast line. Not bad for 18 per cent of the population.

So what could they be conceding this time round?

The Zurich agreement gives us the right to administer 30% of Cyprus and numerically it does not matter an inch.

[Bananiot]

Karpasia, for a start. It was there for the taking but Papadopoulos said "no thanks".

[Nikitas]

"Kifeas, Nikitas, Piasrtist, sotos etc, etc. The Cyprus problem is solved, its the end. 2008 is the year of the TC. All you guys are doing is rearranging the deck-chairs on the Titanic."

Another prophet. TCs on this forum are big on seeing the future.

So next year you are going to start behaving like Europeans, respecting property rights for ALL EU citizens with not discrimination, trading fairly, allowing the free movement of goods and people etc? Is this how 2008 is going to play out? Well, good luck to you then! I will believe it when I see it from the window of my house in Famagusta.

[Nikitas]

Bananiot, please have a look at the maps Mr Annan provided with his plans. If we chose Karpasia we had to forget part of Morphou. And it was not Karpasia, it was the village of Rizokarpaso and some surroundings hamlets and the monastery of Apostolos Andreas. Reachable through miles of TRNC territory. The percentages of territory still remained at that inexplicable 70-30 which is based on lord knows what principle of equlity and fairness. What difference is there really between 37-63 and 30-70? Where is the incentive to agree to anything?

[Nikitas]

Zan you need to go back and read the Zurich agreements once more. The agreement was for 70-30 split in civil service jobs. Hardly the basis for claiming 30 per cent of the territory. YOu stick to that line and you will not see an agreement any time soon.

[Kifeas]

Bananiot, can you please clarify what "significant concessions" the other side will make?

According to the Annan plan they would give back the demilitarised zone plus three per cent of the territory. This would leave them with 30 per cent of the island and more than half it coast line. Not bad for 18 per cent of the population.

So what could they be conceding this time round?

The Zurich agreement gives us the right to administer 30% of Cyprus and numerically it does not matter an inch.

The Zurich agreement gives you the right to administer what???

[Kifeas]

Do everyone a favour Kifeas. Stop trying to copy your legalistic master. BBF is based on a philosophy which has at its core the political equality of the two communities. This is what Papadopoulos is trying to deny and hopefully to trick the stupid franks and attach a different philosophy to it. Okay, he has tried and he failed, at a huge cost to our side. Get over it.

Also crucial to BBF is the numerical majorities of the two component states. The Turkish Cypriots will be guaranteed a numerical majority in their component state and the Greek Cypriots in their component state.

This is the only scenario that the two communities can hope to agree upon in order to reach a mutually accepted solution and anything else that may be proposed is simply playing with fire. Even Koutsou has probably seen this and he has stopped talking about the return to the 1960 constitution, at least publicly. I am pretty sure that once this has been clarified (by a creditable President) the other side will agree to make significant concessions. If not, we will hold all the aces in the international community and its institutions and Turkey will find itself in the same mess it was before the days of Papadopoulos.

Bananiot, you do not have even a single grain of honesty in any of your words, and you have surpassed Goebbels in the ways you choose to manipulate facts and distort the truth! There is no point trying to have an honest discussion with you, at least on the Cyprus issue, as it is a mere waste of time!