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[insan]

... Furthermore, you should immediatly prepare a proposal for gradually exchange the volunteers' properties and returning a part of the occupied land which percentagely doesn't belong to TCs.

what is stopping "your side" doing this proposal ?

They have already voted in favour of such a proposal.

[BigDutch]

So what do you want us to do? Accept anyone in the north without passports in the name of "not enforcing recognition"? Does this sound logical to you?

At least you are now admitting that you advocate the enforced recognition.

Its illogical from a unification point of view to enforce recognition.

[metecyp]

At least you are now admitting that you advocate the enforced recognition.

Its illogical from a unification point of view to enforce recognition.

No, I'm not advocating anything. There's a structure in the north that represents TCs. You might argue that it's illegal and it doesn't really represent TCs. Nevertheless, it's the only structure that TCs have some say in. Maybe in the future, with the Annan plan, this structure will become legal and it'll be a Turkish federal state in a bizonal federal Cyprus but that's not the issue. The fact is TCs live in the north in this structure (however illegal it might be) and TCs need to survive on this island. Tourism is one major industry in Cyprus and TCs want to take advantage of the tourism potential of the north in order to survive. We want to survive and we can't just let anyone come in without passports. Even if the structure in the north is illegal, it's not so illegal that it would let people all over to come in without passports.

[BigDutch]

....The fact is TCs live in the north in this structure (however illegal it might be) and TCs need to survive on this island.........

Are you at all concerned that direct-contact into occupied Cyprus will actually cement the TC's into the North and the GC's into the South ?

[metecyp]

Are you at all concerned that direct-contact into occupied Cyprus will actually cement the TC's into the North and the GC's into the South ?

Well, first of all, in any solution in Cyprus, majority of TCs will be in the north and the majority of GCs will be in the south. This is no surprise to anyone, I hope. I don't think that the direct trade will cement TCs in the North and GCs in the South any more than today. Direct trade won't affect recognition of the north either. If I remember correctly, TCs could export fruits to Britian up to 1990 and nobody was concerned about TRNC being recognized then.

By not letting TCs to export directly, GC leadership wants to make TCs completely depend on the structure in the south. That way the economy of the whole island can depend on the GC side and in the long run TC side will have no choice but accept anything offered by the GC side. This is in no way better to unification than a TC wanting recognition of TRNC.

[Agios Amvrosios]

Big Dutch do you understand?...They want their cake they want to eat it as well and then they want to eat everyone else's cake. You must learn to chew with your mouth closed.

[insan]

Big Dutch do you understand?...They want their cake they want to eat it as well and then they want to eat everyone else's cake. You must learn to chew with your mouth closed.

BigDutch do you understand? I know you don't. Let me help you to understand... they want cake and take and bite the half and the second half blah blah abla...

[brother]

The point is we are getting the message accross and hopefully the north will see some much needed revenue, and if we are to stand on our own two feet without turkeys assistance then we need to earn.

[-mikkie2-]

So what about the £200m or so that Cypriots have already spent in the north since the gates opened. Isn't that worth anything to you? The fact that holidaymakers can come to the north via Larnaca is irrelevant as well? The fact that tourism in the north has been boosted significantly is also irrelevant? Is this what you call the isolation of Turkish Cypriots?

[metecyp]

So what about the £200m or so that Cypriots have already spent in the north since the gates opened. Isn't that worth anything to you? The fact that holidaymakers can come to the north via Larnaca is irrelevant as well? The fact that tourism in the north has been boosted significantly is also irrelevant? Is this what you call the isolation of Turkish Cypriots?

Oh, so we should be happy by what's given to us by GCs and shut up?