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Postby CopperLine » Thu Nov 29, 2007 5:29 pm

TCs / Turks are more likely to be lactose intolerant than Europeans


If this is claiming that lactose intolerance has a genetic basis the your conclusion that TCs/Turks are more likely to belactose intolerant than Europeans is clear baloney since TCs/Turks and Europeans are not genetic categories nor display genetic differences as TCs/Turks and Europeans. The description TC/Turk and European are political categories and descriptions and as such TCs/Turks are simply a sub-set of a political set called Europeans.
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Postby shahmaran » Thu Nov 29, 2007 5:37 pm

Plus the fact that Turkish cheese can piss all over Greek cheese any day of the year is another good example of her lies and the incompetance of the Greek people :roll: :lol:
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Postby Viewpoint » Thu Nov 29, 2007 5:41 pm

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VP asks: "arent there limits for stuff you can take from one EU country to another? "

NO there are not!! That is the whole point of the European Union and its principle of FREE TRADE. I import things from Italy and the truck is not stopped or checked at the Patras port in Greece precisely because the goods are moving in EUROPE!! It is like moving things between states in the USA!!!


Are you allowed to take meat or a plotted plant from UK to Italy? there are certain products which are restricted when crossing borders, the same applies for crossings between the "RoC" and the TRNC. Gcs are restricted and rigorously checked at crossing points for excess products, why is ok for GCs and not TCs?

What Talat is doing is trying to kill two birds with one stone- frist to underline the status of TRNC as a state and second to make some extra money for his regime from the taxes, both on the goods taxed and on the taxes on goods sold in the TRNC. The rest about isolation and embargoes is ALL BULLSHIT.


Its called fiscal policy, happens all over the world.

TCs are free to take their goods for export to the EU to Larnaca or Limassol ports with a minimum of bureuacracy. This has been stopped by the TRNC authorities. The article mentions 3800 TONS of potatoes that were stopped from being exported through Larnaca. Talat wants the export to go through Famagusta.


Minimum bureaucracy??? you are joking aren't you? GCs do everything within their power to delay and frustrate exporters and cause delays which result in big loses, no sane exporter will attempt to use GC ports.


Well let me tell you a little secret. Even if Famgusta is opened tomorrow, TC goods will still have to go through Larnaca or Limassol for export because Limassol is the only container able port on the island. The Famagusta thing is a pure propaganda ploy. Famagusta does not have container handling facilities. Neither does it have the bulk cargo ability of Larnaca.


Well let me inform you we use container imports everyday? You shoudl pay Famaguata port a visit and see for yourself how the facilities have been developed.

Part of this campaign to stop the TCs from shopping in the south is all this bullshit about attacks in the car park of IKEA. Taxing is not working and they are trying the usual underhanded tactics of lies and slander.

Cheap tricks. One whole lifetime of cheap tricks. It really is getting tiresome. And to top it all you have Talat proclaiming that he is the "true European"! This is where the EU should force him to prove it.


One way of not having to deal with the problem, not only ignore it, but blame someone else, typical GC trait.
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Postby Nikitas » Thu Nov 29, 2007 6:00 pm

"Are you allowed to take meat or a plotted plant from UK to Italy? there are certain products which are restricted when crossing borders,"

Well VP to put it another way so you can get the full meaning of the EU open market- a customs officer is not allowed to check goods moving between EU countries. When a TIR truck goes through Patras, coming from Italy, it does not go through customs. There ARE NOT CUSTOMS between EU nations.

A health regulation can be applied, provided the EU has been told beforehand and concurs about the cause and the benefits. In that case it is not customs who check things out but health officials.

No offence meant VP but you sound just a like a Greek customs man of the 80s when the EU controls were abolished and the customs men just could not believe their powers were taken away. They foresaw all kinds of disasters, just like you, but in the end the only thing that disappeared was buraucracy and expense. All EU nations are now richer.
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Postby phoenix » Thu Nov 29, 2007 6:38 pm

CopperLine wrote:
TCs / Turks are more likely to be lactose intolerant than Europeans


If this is claiming that lactose intolerance has a genetic basis the your conclusion that TCs/Turks are more likely to belactose intolerant than Europeans is clear baloney since TCs/Turks and Europeans are not genetic categories nor display genetic differences as TCs/Turks and Europeans. The description TC/Turk and European are political categories and descriptions and as such TCs/Turks are simply a sub-set of a political set called Europeans.



From "Matching Grants":


D-876
Turkey - Izmir

Lactose Deficiency
$40,000


The community to be served in this project is the children and their families and the relatives , who live in Izmir and suburbs. The ''PREVELANCE OF LACTOSE DEFICIENCY'' is seen in Turkish children and it is costly to recover from this condition. Because the management and therapy of the growth retardation and bone weakness which are the complications of lactose deficiency are all expensive for the families.

We aim to determine the prevelance of lactose deficiency among healthy children and to describe their clinical characteristics. One of the primary future goals of this study is to develope effective strategies identifies and follow up children with lactose deficiency. To identitfy children with lactose intolerance will help to prevent malnutrition, growth retardation, and bone weakness, unnecessary avoidance of dairy products.

We believe that this study will allow us to give appropriate support to children with lactose deficiency. Another primary future goal of this study is to develop effective strategy (with informing the families about the results of this study through the "Family doctorship" at least in Eagean Region in Turkey.) to identify and follow up children with lactose deficiency. . . .
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Postby phoenix » Thu Nov 29, 2007 6:40 pm

shahmaran wrote:Plus the fact that Turkish cheese can piss all over Greek cheese any day of the year is another good example of her lies and the incompetance of the Greek people :roll: :lol:


Cheese isn't meant to "piss" :lol: . . . if it does produce uric acid / urea, it usually means it has gone rancid :D
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Postby shahmaran » Thu Nov 29, 2007 6:50 pm

Phoenix if you are serious then you seriously need to get out more and if you are not then i suggest you stop making geek jokes because you can actually hurt somebody with such a horrible sense of humour ;)
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Postby phoenix » Thu Nov 29, 2007 6:53 pm

shahmaran wrote:Phoenix if you are serious then you seriously need to get out more and if you are not then i suggest you stop making geek jokes because you can actually hurt somebody with such a horrible sense of humour ;)


OK sorry . . . Turkish cheese does not go rancid! :roll:

. . . . in fact it is completely non-biodegradable :lol:
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Postby zan » Thu Nov 29, 2007 7:01 pm

boomerang wrote:
zan wrote:If you choose to ignore the facts of the matter then you will come to these childish conclusions. The whole thing boils down to the fact that the TRNC is not allowed to issue it's own certificates and the refusal to allow them to do so is the back door approach by Tpap for taking what little power the TCs have in Cyprus away. The Embargoes are then imposed through this and you have the audacity to say that we do it to ourselves. There is a war of politics going on out there and for Boomers who has taken on the law and lost, it is funny how he forgets this. One minute you are screaming about the Cyprob and the next you want trade to go on as if there is no problem. Give us back our rights under the Zurich agreement and stop the siege. Then you can talk about what is wrong and what is right. :roll: :roll: :roll:


Bloody hell zan you are losing the bloody plot...whats the matter got shock today at work? :lol:

I think the author of the article is in a beter position to judge... :wink:



You make too many assumptions as to what I know and what I don't. We have argued the facts I state many times over and greater length on erolz site. The certification factor is real and the fact that both sides are fighting it is also very real. The implications are even more real for the TRNC. :roll: :roll: :roll:
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Postby Get Real! » Thu Nov 29, 2007 7:14 pm

shahmaran wrote:Plus the fact that Turkish cheese can piss all over Greek cheese any day of the year is another good example of her lies and the incompetance of the Greek people :roll: :lol:

Do you really think there's a difference? Goats are Goats and Sheep are Sheep...
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