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[Kikapu]

Says the biggest racist against Turks the world has ever seen.......

Tell me something Zan, I will be supporting Switzerland when they play against Turkey in the European Cup 2008 here in Switzerland.

Would you still call me a "Turk Hater". Just wondering.!!

[zan]

Says the biggest racist against Turks the world has ever seen.......

Tell me something Zan, I will be supporting Switzerland when they play against Turkey in the European Cup 2008 here in Switzerland.

Would you still call me a "Turk Hater". Just wondering.!!

Not unless you are carrying an EOKA flag of Cyprus and screaming obscenities at the Turks as you do here.

[Kikapu]

Says the biggest racist against Turks the world has ever seen.......

Tell me something Zan, I will be supporting Switzerland when they play against Turkey in the European Cup 2008 here in Switzerland.

Would you still call me a "Turk Hater". Just wondering.!!

Not unless you are carrying an EOKA flag of Cyprus and screaming obscenities at the Turks as you do here.

I don't know what EOKA flag looks like.

I will be carrying the "white cross" with red background flag.


I did not know there were any Turks here. I thought it was mostly TC's and Partitionist.!!

I only scream at the PARTITIONIST by the way.

[zan]

Says the biggest racist against Turks the world has ever seen.......

Tell me something Zan, I will be supporting Switzerland when they play against Turkey in the European Cup 2008 here in Switzerland.

Would you still call me a "Turk Hater". Just wondering.!!

Not unless you are carrying an EOKA flag of Cyprus and screaming obscenities at the Turks as you do here.

I don't know what EOKA flag looks like.

I will be carrying the "white cross" with red background flag.


I did not know there were any Turks here. I thought it was mostly TC's and Partitionist.!!

I only scream at the PARTITIONIST by the way.

OH! And you see yourself as a great mediator do you .....An ambassador for peace and unity......I think you have been using the sea as a mirror for too long....Buy yourself a new one of those modern looking glasses and introduce yourself to yourself. You may have stuck a "Unification" campaign badge on your lapel but it is just another lie.....

[Kikapu]

hi everyone, i am Omer, the producer of Peace at War.

Firstly i think i have to give you information about us and the project to give you a better understanding of what it is. I wrote the first script to join the UNDPs young filmmakers project nearly one year ago. So when i was writing it i was mostly thinking to make something good for a bi-communal project, which will at least give some hope for Turkish and Greek Cypriots who always believed and hoped for a lasting peace, a united Cyprus.

Of course i am very aware that the film is very optimist, you can even some exaggerate and say that it is fantasy. I know that united Cyprus is not 6 years away from now, may be tens of years away (if it will ever happen). But it is a FILM, not a documentary, or some kind of tv news. Films are for entertaining people and sometimes for giving them messages. And with Peace at War, we are trying to keep your hopes up for peace (for whom who wants peace) and believe it even at hardest times.

I am 22 years old, finished university 1 year ago and i am working at couple of companies and also as a freelance web-graphic designer. Shooting films was always our biggest hobby with my friends and this project was our first chance to make something at least semi-professional. UNDP gave us this opportunity by giving equipment for project. But this movie was shot with Zero budget. I and my 2 friends (Talat and Eylem, which are into film sector in a way also) wrote, directed, edited it nearly without any help. I have to stop working for 3 months and buy everything needed for film from my savings as an example.

The result was only average for world standards. But think about what we gone through with out any help. At technical and directing point, i think it is over cyprus standards (at least north cyprus, dont know very much about south). I am not trying to praise ourselves (i am sure that there are much more talented people out there in cyprus), i am just trying to show you an example of what Peace at War tries to give you as message, when you believe, you can pass your limits, hope is always there, but you should try.

I have zero political, religious or biased point of view for cyprus problem. I hate politics (but i follow and aware of what is going on), because it is only brainwashing. If you are some open minded, you can see realities of cyprus. In MY OPINION, when you think about last decades, cyprus problem has 2 major cases. One is Turkish troops, which will always be anti-peace power, shame for Turkish Cypriots because we dont even try to find a way to make them go away. And the result of Annan plan, which is shame for Greek Cypriots, believed that is a bad plan and voted no because of their politicians.

These are my facts, my opinions and the films script is based on these facts. We tried to keep the balance (with annan flag at the end and anti turkish troop dialogs, scenes in film) and the comments coming about film showed that we made a good balance.

I just want to say that please stop fighting for your political views, at least at this topic, because there is nothing to do with politics.

Thanks for your comments everyone. I like to hear every type of comment, even if they are negative, we will have something to learn from them, just be polite , thats it. thanks again.

Ömer Yetkinel

btw, i will provide a link for you all for downloading soon, i am just waiting for the load on my server decrease.

Welcome to the Forum Ömer,

Thank you for you explanation regarding why and how you made this short film. Despite with your limited budget, the actual "filming" was not too bad. It was the contents and the messages of the film that got my attention. Before I get to that, let me wish you a bigger and better projects in the future. I'm sure George Lucas did not have very much to work with for his first film either, so keep your hopes up.

I think I got my good friend T_C upset with these remarks.

Halil,

You brought this film to us, and yet you have nothing to say about it...why is that.?? Is it because you too saw it as a propaganda hit piece as in, the TC's were taking the "high road" for peace or what.?? Aside from the shot Turkish Soldier not getting help from a young TC was so over the scale of being unrealistic and would never happen in a million years, you had a middle aged man around our age played by the father (role played by VP) who did not want unification, but yet his son and his girlfriend who were born in the "TRNC" and have been kept in isolation all their lives, wanted to unite with the GC's. Don't you not see something terribly wrong with this picture to have any credibility to be sincere at all.??

T_C wrote:

Kikapu is looking at the video like a Greek Cypriot....mind you, thats because he is...


Kikapu wrote:

Well T_C, that's because I used my brain to "dissect" the propaganda from total Fantasy, where you got all excited beyond belief, that the part of the film was shot on the same street that you live on.

We are all happy for you, that your street will be etched in our minds for the rest of our lives, and we will always think of you when ever we see that same street in the future.

You film does send a lot of messages which is not what you have intended, judging from your explanation above. Never the less, your video was posted by Halil, and as much nice a person he is according to some who has met him, when it comes to posting things on the forum, he is anything but unbiased towards the "TRNC". The only time he is neutral, is when we talk about Cypriot Food Recipes. So seeing the film and who posted it, it was very clear to me, that it was a propaganda film. If you read my post above, you can see my concerns. We can't read the directors mind that he is just making an innocent film about peace and reconciliation, when you only represented only the North, which to the unsuspecting viewer shows that only those living in the North want a solution, even if it means not helping a dying soldier.

I take your word for it, that for you it was not meant to be political, but it was, and I think it was very irresponsible of you to allow the audience to reach that conclusion. As I said, the film's message was, the TC's wants peace and not Partition and gives no information on what the GC's want or not want. Please take my criticism with a pinch of salt. I'm not having a go at you as a person, but you may have had the right intentions but failed very badly relaying that intend. You are lucky the Fanatical Partitionist did not burn down your "film studio" for even talking about reconciliation with the South. This is a view from an open minded TC who wants a peaceful Cyprus for all Cypriots with all our rights in place to live in our own country that gave birth to us. There are many who also want the same, but there are also who would want to tear her apart into pieces. We must not allow a small island to be ripped apart by the Greedy and Power hungry individuals who have shown very little Humanity towards their own people, the Cypriots.

[shahmaran]

If he was to get into the "invasion" then he also has to get into the massacres etc, like he said thats not what it was about...

Sotos says:::

Phahahahahah!!!

[CyprioD]

Welcome to the Forum Ömer,

Thank you for you explanation regarding why and how you made this short film. Despite with your limited budget, the actual "filming" was not too bad. It was the contents and the messages of the film that got my attention. Before I get to that, let me wish you a bigger and better projects in the future. I'm sure George Lucas did not have very much to work with for his first film either, so keep your hopes up.

Firstly thanks for your not so supporting comments . Of course you dont have to like the film, i hope some day some one will make a film about a peace at cyprus that you will like (you can be sure it will not be me ).

You film does send a lot of messages which is not what you have intended, judging from your explanation above. Never the less, your video was posted by Halil, and as much nice a person he is according to some who has met him, when it comes to posting things on the forum, he is anything but unbiased towards the "TRNC". The only time he is neutral, is when we talk about Cypriot Food Recipes. So seeing the film and who posted it, it was very clear to me, that it was a propaganda film. If you read my post above, you can see my concerns. We can't read the directors mind that he is just making an innocent film about peace and reconciliation, when you only represented only the North, which to the unsuspecting viewer shows that only those living in the North want a solution, even if it means not helping a dying soldier.

I take your word for it, that for you it was not meant to be political, but it was, and I think it was very irresponsible of you to allow the audience to reach that conclusion. As I said, the film's message was, the TC's wants peace and not Partition and gives no information on what the GC's want or not want. Please take my criticism with a pinch of salt. I'm not having a go at you as a person, but you may have had the right intentions but failed very badly relaying that intend.

I am passing the part about Halil and you connecting Halil to Peace at War to being a propaganda film because it is meaningless for me. It is not a propaganda film, i am not a fan of Annan Plan or Turkish Cypriots. As i said the film's script is based on facts without any biased thought about anything.

The very first script i was going to write was going to be much more longer. I was going to write the story of one TC and GC youth's struggle for peace at war. But because it had to be short film (below 15 mins) i had to pass this option. And the script we used to apply to the project was also longer. It ends with a scene where peoples of both communities gather at large numbers and get together at ledra palace to create a wall of flesh to stop the war. But again our script was long, also we will need high budget, so we cut it again.

Of course it is our problem to get to this point. But we know we will get responses like that so we are giving information about GCs at the film, you didnt watch it carefully Kikapu. When Cenk is talking at the phone after first attack there is a dialog: "Inform all you TV stations and I’ll speak with our ones. OK, at 10 then.". And then when he meets with Gizem, they talk about it: "The greeks are out, protesting too. Apparently they’re putting up quite a fight on their side." - "I did speak to Andrea this morning, seems like it’s going good.".

It is not much i know, if we had resources and film time, we may present much more, but it is enough, enough to anyone who is objective...

But i know what i wrote will not change your mind, it is same for TCs who dont like the movie because a soldier is hit.

Thanks for your comments all of you again.

[zan]

Kikapu...There is only one person on the thread that is complaining about the film and that is you so why are you claiming that people thought what only you seem to have thought. As per usual, anything that is either posted by or said by a TC you disagree with......Get over yourself man....

[halil]

hi everyone, i am Omer, the producer of Peace at War.

Firstly i think i have to give you information about us and the project to give you a better understanding of what it is. I wrote the first script to join the UNDPs young filmmakers project nearly one year ago. So when i was writing it i was mostly thinking to make something good for a bi-communal project, which will at least give some hope for Turkish and Greek Cypriots who always believed and hoped for a lasting peace, a united Cyprus.

Of course i am very aware that the film is very optimist, you can even some exaggerate and say that it is fantasy. I know that united Cyprus is not 6 years away from now, may be tens of years away (if it will ever happen). But it is a FILM, not a documentary, or some kind of tv news. Films are for entertaining people and sometimes for giving them messages. And with Peace at War, we are trying to keep your hopes up for peace (for whom who wants peace) and believe it even at hardest times.

I am 22 years old, finished university 1 year ago and i am working at couple of companies and also as a freelance web-graphic designer. Shooting films was always our biggest hobby with my friends and this project was our first chance to make something at least semi-professional. UNDP gave us this opportunity by giving equipment for project. But this movie was shot with Zero budget. I and my 2 friends (Talat and Eylem, which are into film sector in a way also) wrote, directed, edited it nearly without any help. I have to stop working for 3 months and buy everything needed for film from my savings as an example.

The result was only average for world standards. But think about what we gone through with out any help. At technical and directing point, i think it is over cyprus standards (at least north cyprus, dont know very much about south). I am not trying to praise ourselves (i am sure that there are much more talented people out there in cyprus), i am just trying to show you an example of what Peace at War tries to give you as message, when you believe, you can pass your limits, hope is always there, but you should try.

I have zero political, religious or biased point of view for cyprus problem. I hate politics (but i follow and aware of what is going on), because it is only brainwashing. If you are some open minded, you can see realities of cyprus. In MY OPINION, when you think about last decades, cyprus problem has 2 major cases. One is Turkish troops, which will always be anti-peace power, shame for Turkish Cypriots because we dont even try to find a way to make them go away. And the result of Annan plan, which is shame for Greek Cypriots, believed that is a bad plan and voted no because of their politicians.

These are my facts, my opinions and the films script is based on these facts. We tried to keep the balance (with annan flag at the end and anti turkish troop dialogs, scenes in film) and the comments coming about film showed that we made a good balance.

I just want to say that please stop fighting for your political views, at least at this topic, because there is nothing to do with politics.

Thanks for your comments everyone. I like to hear every type of comment, even if they are negative, we will have something to learn from them, just be polite , thats it. thanks again.

Ömer Yetkinel

btw, i will provide a link for you all for downloading soon, i am just waiting for the load on my server decrease.

Welcome to the Forum Ömer,

Thank you for you explanation regarding why and how you made this short film. Despite with your limited budget, the actual "filming" was not too bad. It was the contents and the messages of the film that got my attention. Before I get to that, let me wish you a bigger and better projects in the future. I'm sure George Lucas did not have very much to work with for his first film either, so keep your hopes up.

I think I got my good friend T_C upset with these remarks.

Halil,

You brought this film to us, and yet you have nothing to say about it...why is that.?? Is it because you too saw it as a propaganda hit piece as in, the TC's were taking the "high road" for peace or what.?? Aside from the shot Turkish Soldier not getting help from a young TC was so over the scale of being unrealistic and would never happen in a million years, you had a middle aged man around our age played by the father (role played by VP) who did not want unification, but yet his son and his girlfriend who were born in the "TRNC" and have been kept in isolation all their lives, wanted to unite with the GC's. Don't you not see something terribly wrong with this picture to have any credibility to be sincere at all.??

T_C wrote:

Kikapu is looking at the video like a Greek Cypriot....mind you, thats because he is...


Kikapu wrote:

Well T_C, that's because I used my brain to "dissect" the propaganda from total Fantasy, where you got all excited beyond belief, that the part of the film was shot on the same street that you live on.

We are all happy for you, that your street will be etched in our minds for the rest of our lives, and we will always think of you when ever we see that same street in the future.

You film does send a lot of messages which is not what you have intended, judging from your explanation above. Never the less, your video was posted by Halil, and as much nice a person he is according to some who has met him, when it comes to posting things on the forum, he is anything but unbiased towards the "TRNC". The only time he is neutral, is when we talk about Cypriot Food Recipes. So seeing the film and who posted it, it was very clear to me, that it was a propaganda film. If you read my post above, you can see my concerns. We can't read the directors mind that he is just making an innocent film about peace and reconciliation, when you only represented only the North, which to the unsuspecting viewer shows that only those living in the North want a solution, even if it means not helping a dying soldier.

I take your word for it, that for you it was not meant to be political, but it was, and I think it was very irresponsible of you to allow the audience to reach that conclusion. As I said, the film's message was, the TC's wants peace and not Partition and gives no information on what the GC's want or not want. Please take my criticism with a pinch of salt. I'm not having a go at you as a person, but you may have had the right intentions but failed very badly relaying that intend. You are lucky the Fanatical Partitionist did not burn down your "film studio" for even talking about reconciliation with the South. This is a view from an open minded TC who wants a peaceful Cyprus for all Cypriots with all our rights in place to live in our own country that gave birth to us. There are many who also want the same, but there are also who would want to tear her apart into pieces. We must not allow a small island to be ripped apart by the Greedy and Power hungry individuals who have shown very little Humanity towards their own people, the Cypriots.

KİKAPU,
I am always trying to show the forum members other side of the coin as well. your comments are always one sided .From one sided information we are going to guide world wrong . Let the world to see what the others are thinking as well. Than they can decide . I will write down always what our side is thinking than they can find the middle .

[Silenzio]

Hi guys my name is Talat, the other co-creator of Peace At War.
Thanks for all the support and criticism of our film. Even this kind of discussion gives me goosebumps you know? Something that we have created has spawned people to talk and converse about is kind of a dream

Although Ömer explained most of the things, I would like to add a few of my thoughts.

Firstly, this is definitely a propaganda film, a propaganda for peace. You may find it optimistic, you may say I don't want a peace like this but in the end, this film is about war bringing the TC's and GC's together instead of them choosing Turkey's and Greece's side and fighting for them.

Secondly, the film you have watched is basicly our main script cut in half, it was much much longer. Like Ömer said, you learn that the GC's have also protested and came together against this war and the ending was the TC's and GC's uniting together at the Ledra border. But when you're working with no budget, a 15 minute duration constraint and 'amateur/improvised filmmaking', no way...

Thirdly, the Turkish soldier getting shot. It was an accident, Cenk panicked, gun fired accidently, soldier shot, Cenk panicked even more, fled the scene, solider dead. It's as simple as that. No 'evil Cenk', no 'he killed him and didn't help him'... This is Cenk, think of him as a normal human being. Do you think every single human being would instead try to help the soldier? I don't think so... He chose to leave, simple as that.

Last but not least, the girl who plays Gizem doesn't have a Turkish accent. She is a turkish cypriot. But a good idea actually, may have added a layer to the film

Finally, my ideas on the Cyprus problem. The TC's have somewhat freed themselves from the brainwashing process about the issue, the only step left is to get rid of the Turkish army which came for the right reason but has chosen to stay illegally and is occupying our land. The GC's on the other hand, they have much to accept. They have to accept their wrongdoings and basicly that this whole problem started because of them, they have to stop the prejudice against the TC's and they have to learn that sacrifice is necessary for a lasting solution.

Do I believe this will happen? Not really. But I don't blame the people on this island. The human beings are to blame, we are a race which like to fight with eachother, the reason may be language, religion, whatever.. It's in our blood. Maybe the next step of evolution will help us out

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