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[turkcyp]

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[metecyp]

Those people at customs know how the USA passport looks like. It clearly says "United States of America" on it. If they really thought you were from some place of the US then they would pass you from customs like they pass US citizens, without the need of any visa or other document.

First, I was talking about Americans I meet in everyday life not just the airport officers and it wasn't just me. I have some friends studying in Lousiana and they told me how they constantly get the same response (i.e. people thinking that they're from Cypress, Lousiana)

Secondly, yes it says "Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus" but that doesn't mean much to an airport officer. He/she looks at the Visa stamp and in the visa stamp, the country is just "Cyprus". Not even knowing where Cyprus is, the officer assumes that TRNC is a Cyprus passport.

[BigDutch]

So, my question to BigDutch is this: Why does it bother you to see north Cyprus ads when your government structures clearly states that it's ok to enter Cyprus from the north?

My government is the UK government. They don't recognise the "TRNC", just the RoC. The ads bother me as i see them as a result of anti-unification movements from the "TRNC". The fact that the UK government allows the adverts annoys me as they are contradicting themselves, having been for decades of anti-partition UN resolutions and other movements.

On the passport stamping - my point was nothing to do with the recognition of the TRNC passport.

Perhaps i`m unable to explain my thoughts clearly. The example was meant to show that the people getting the passport stamped (ie the stampee) are recognising the stamper.

So the potential tourist sees the "North Cyprus" poster - "looks lovely" they say, and book a holiday via the site on the poster. They are unaware of any "problem" in Cyprus (most Brits are). They land in "TRNC" and get their passport stamped by a "passport control", they are unaware it is not the "real" Cyprus border "guards" so in effect have recognised the "TRNC". If the visitors object to having to show a passport to non RoC passport control - will they still be able to get through the airport ??!

In my opinion, this recognition by people visiting TRNC directly goes against the UN resolution as it is an action that "might prejudice that sovereignty, independence and territorial integrity".

I`m amazed that no-one on this board can see any link between direct contact between occupied Cyprus and the rest of world and the UN resolution.

Geoff

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RESOLUTION 1217 (1998)
"Calling once more upon all States to respect the sovereignty, independence and territorial integrity of the Republic of Cyprus and requesting them, along with the parties concerned, to refrain from any action which might prejudice that sovereignty, independence and territorial integrity, as well as from any attempt of partition of the island or its unification with any other country"

[metecyp]

The ads bother me as i see them as a result of anti-unification movements from the "TRNC".

So according to you, any movement from the north Cyprus directed to the international world is an anti-unification movement? So, TCs cannot ask for tourists to come and visit the north, TCs cannot ask planes to land in the north, TCs cannot ask European soccer teams to come and play soccer in the north, because any movement in the north directed to the international public means anti-unification whereas GCs can do all these things, get rich with the money brought by tourists and it's not anti-unification because??? Because they own the RoC? Because they're not guilty for the current situation? Because what?

I can't make any sense of your logic expect if you believe that the Cyprus problem is solely TCs'/Turkey's fault and it should be solved by punishing TCs.

You need to first realize that Cyprus problem is not only TCs' fault and secondly, you need to realize that TCs need to survive on the island. Asking tourists to come and visit the north is one contribution to TC survival in the north. Don't ask us to cease to exist until T-Pap decides that it's time for a solution. We need to survive and that's what's happenning.

[BigDutch]

So according to you, any movement from the north Cyprus directed to the international world is an anti-unification movement?

If it goes against the UN resolution then yes.

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RESOLUTION 1217 (1998)
"Calling once more upon all States to respect the sovereignty, independence and territorial integrity of the Republic of Cyprus and requesting them, along with the parties concerned, to refrain from any action which might prejudice that sovereignty, independence and territorial integrity, as well as from any attempt of partition of the island or its unification with any other country"

Because they own the RoC?

Defacto situation.

Because they're not guilty for the current situation?

No blame for current situation lies with many parties.

I can't make any sense of your logic expect if you believe that the Cyprus problem is solely TCs'/Turkey's fault and it should be solved by punishing TCs.

I certainly don't want to punish anyone, i want things to run via the RoC and to not be working against the UN resolutions.

You need to first realize that Cyprus problem is not only TCs' fault

I`m well aware of this.

you need to realize that TCs need to survive on the island.

Completely agree - efforts working with the RoC should help both TC peoples, and unification

We need to survive and that's what's happenning.

My concern is that by choosing to not work with RoC that partition of the island will remain.

I`m sorry that you feel i`m "anti-TC" as i beleive this is not true, i`m pro-Cyprus. The Cyprus i want to survive is one that contains 100% of the island, and proportional representation of all communities in population and government through a one-man one-vote democracy.

[insan]

My concern is that by choosing to not work with RoC that partition of the island will remain.

We will not work with "RoC" until it becomes RoC.

[BigDutch]

We will not work with "RoC" until it becomes RoC.

A vague answer but i think is understand.

"RoC" becomes RoC when original (1960?) constitution is in effect - is that what you mean ?

[insan]

We will not work with "RoC" until it becomes RoC.

A vague answer but i think is understand.

"RoC" becomes RoC when original (1960?) constitution is in effect - is that what you mean ?

"RoC" becomes RoC when either original 1960 constitution or its mutually agreed, amended version is in effect. Under the circumstances of last 30 years it should be based upon bi-zonality and bi-communality with "political equality" of two communities.

[BigDutch]

"RoC" becomes RoC when either original 1960 constitution or its mutually agreed, amended version is in effect. Under the circumstances of last 30 years it should be based upon bi-zonality and bi-communality with "political equality" of two communities.

It would be great to for all parties involved to sit and re-do a constitution that will please everyone. I beleive that step-by-step the sides will gradually get closer to exactly what you want however in the mean time there is no money in "north cyprus" - that is the point i think you are making. Whilst no co-operation movements are deemed acceptable by both parties the days tick by the people in "North Cyprus" will get poorer or leave and the people in RoC will get richer. I understand this.

My concern is that by introducing direct contact to occupied areas, co-operation with RoC will eventually no longer be required as you will have everything you need coming and going direct. Once this happens, whether there is ever official "recognition" by the world of the "TRNC" or not, all that will happen is life-long partition in my opinion.

[insan]

"RoC" becomes RoC when either original 1960 constitution or its mutually agreed, amended version is in effect. Under the circumstances of last 30 years it should be based upon bi-zonality and bi-communality with "political equality" of two communities.

It would be great to for all parties involved to sit and re-do a constitution that will please everyone. I beleive that step-by-step the sides will gradually get closer to exactly what you want however in the mean time there is no money in "north cyprus" - that is the point i think you are making. Whilst no co-operation movements are deemed acceptable by both parties the days tick by the people in "North Cyprus" will get poorer or leave and the people in RoC will get richer. I understand this.

As long as Hellenic Ruling elite insists on one-man-one-vote that up to now that is what they have been trying to get; it's impossible to re-do a constitution that will please at least vast majority of each community, respectively.

There are huge differences between a formal recognition and an informal recognition that arise from defacto situation. The recognition TCs look for is formal recognition and we are all aware that this is only possible either in a united Cyprus or in a seperate state that is only possible incase of a agreed partition. Thus, lifting the economic sanctions does not constitute a formal recognition but it would substantially improve the circumstances of rapproachment, reconciliation and reunification.

My concern is that by introducing direct contact to occupied areas, co-operation with RoC will eventually no longer be required as you will have everything you need coming and going direct. Once this happens, whether there is ever official "recognition" by the world of the "TRNC" or not, all that will happen is life-long partition in my opinion.

We don't need much cooperation with "RoC" other than negotiating the solution. We need cooperation with GCs living in south for rapproachment, reconciliation, trade, cultural activities etc...