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[BigDutch]

This is your interpretation. Our interpretation is completely the opposite of this.

So quick to disagree ?!??!

Some will cement, some will bring closer.

Which will do what is the sticking point ?

[insan]

BigDutch wrote:

If the "Hellenic rulling elite dream" is one man one vote then yes i agree with you.

Happy to hear this. Then you support the "political equality" of two communities.

[BigDutch]

Happy to hear this. Then you support the "political equality" of two communities.

I know you are joking but to clarify anyway, one-man one-vote doesn't make political equality of two communities. It is a straight democracy.

[insan]

This is your interpretation. Our interpretation is completely the opposite of this.

So quick to disagree ?!??!

Some will cement, some will bring closer.

Which will do what is the sticking point ?

Every effort of Hellenic Ruling Elite in direction to degrade TCs into a minority status and nullification of treaty of guarantee and treaty of alliance will cement the partition. Every effort in opposite direction of this will cement rapprochment, reconciliation and reunification of Cypriots and Cyprus.

This is my belief.

[insan]

Happy to hear this. Then you support the "political equality" of two communities.

I know you are joking but to clarify anyway, one-man one-vote doesn't make political equality of two communities. It is a straight democracy.

Now I couldn't understand your position on "majority rule" and "political equality" of two communities. Can you eloborate a bit please to clarify your position?

[BigDutch]

Every effort of Hellenic Ruling Elite in direction to degrade TCs into a minority status and nullification of treaty of guarantee and treaty of alliance will cement the partition.

So is there any hope for Cyprus if anything brought to the table by the RoC you appear to say is bad, everything by the "TRNC" is good ?

[BigDutch]

Now I couldn't understand your position on "majority rule" and "political equality" of two communities. Can you eloborate a bit please to clarify your position?

I didn't intend to even mention "majority rule" or "political equality", i`m sorry if i intentionally brought it up. happy to discuss on other thread but this one was meant to be about the direct advertising of "North Cyprus" in the UK, and how i feel it is a bad thing to do with regards to "unification".

[insan]

Every effort of Hellenic Ruling Elite in direction to degrade TCs into a minority status and nullification of treaty of guarantee and treaty of alliance will cement the partition.

So is there any hope for Cyprus if anything brought to the table by the RoC you appear to say is bad, everything by the "TRNC" is good ?

Apparently, this is the current situation we have been in. You know that there are also 3rd parties contributing the solution process for overcoming the difficulties in front of a fair reunification which will satisfy at least majority of all relevant parties. Nowadays we are expecting one of the 3rd parties, namely EU to approve direct trade regulations in spite of "RoCs" interferations. Then there will be lots of hopes for reunification. Otherwise if "RoC" keep insisting its political schemes and negative stance, the only alternative for TC community will be the partition of Cyprus.

[BigDutch]

Nowadays we are expecting one of the 3rd parties, namely EU to approve direct trade regulations in spite of "RoCs" interferations.

Which brings us back to the UN resolutions. The proposed direct-trade will bypass the RoC and therefore be in direct "breach" of the UN resolutions.

Despite the best intentions I don't beleive that the EU will contravene the UN resolutions. Therefore I truly beleive unless "TRNC" accept trade offers through shared port(s) or over the green line then the situation will never improve.

problem : TC want trade with the world, but don't want to recognise the RoC. TC can have trade with the world if they recognise RoC. TC may trade with the world without recognising the RoC and RoC will veto Turkey joining EU.

RESOLUTION 1217 (1998)
"Calling once more upon all States to respect the sovereignty, independence and territorial integrity of the Republic of Cyprus and requesting them, along with the parties concerned, to refrain from any action which might prejudice that sovereignty, independence and territorial integrity, as well as from any attempt of partition of the island or its unification with any other country"

[insan]

Which brings us back to the UN resolutions. The proposed direct-trade will bypass the RoC and therefore be in direct "breach" of the UN resolutions.

There's nothing that contradicts with UN resolutions. Gc leadership have never represented TC community and will never represent TC community. Direct trade is one of internal affair of TCs and does not constitute recognition of "TRNC". The name of the administration might be "interim Turkish Cypriot administration." It doesn't matter. The matter is recognition of "interim turkish Cypriot administration" and the people it represents.

Despite the best intentions I don't beleive that the EU will contravene the UN resolutions. Therefore I truly beleive unless "TRNC" accept trade offers through shared port(s) or over the green line then the situation will never improve.

The direct trade regulations that voted a several weeks ago resulted 254-250 against at EC. Just one week ago Rehn stated that the proposal will be brought to the agenda of European Commission one more time in near future.

Catch22 ! TC want trade with the world, but don't want to recognise the RoC. TC can have trade with the world if they recognise RoC.

Yes. We don't want to recognize the "RoC"(We recognize the RoC). And we don't want to be the hostage of "RoC" until it acknowledges "political equality" of two communities, Turkish guarantorship and restricted bi-zonality which approved by both UN and EU.