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[BigDutch]

"....even though the RoC is legally the only government of Cyprus, it does not represent TCs.

A slow process of "small" agreeable arrangements will get to a solution quicker than sticking by the disagreeable areas.

[metecyp]

A slow process of "small" agreeable arrangements will get to a solution quicker than sticking by the disagreeable areas

Agreed. So maybe you should start getting used to the idea that the next solution will be a bicommunal bizonal federation and not the RoC. Then, maybe "north Cyprus" won't bother you so much.

[Piratis]

Talat and Turkey are against the unification then ?

Isn't partition what they were trying for 40 years? They still do the exact same thing. I am really amazed anybody is surprised by this.

They can simply get all they ask for in trade, by accepting that their "TRNC" is illegal, and that the only legal thing in Cyprus is RoC (which is, as you said, what the rest of the world recognizes). However they don't do this because their aim is not trade, their aim is partition.

[insan]

My belief is that direct-trade will cement the partition. The RoC don't want this - does the "TRNC" ?

My belief is exactly the opposite. I put forward my opinions about why, many times previously. The only TC rationale for partition is the "majority rule" insistence of GC leadership and efforts to nullify Treeaty of Alliance and Treaty of Guarantee.

Why does the "status" matter at this stage ? You are trading and working together as communities, another stepping stone with a view to unification of one country under one flag. Is this not the aim ?

It does matter at every stage. TCs communal struggle to survive as a "politically equal" community in Cyprus is not how you interprete it; struggle for partition.

The world (bar one country) already see RoC as only state in Cyprus, and that the areas are occupied by a foreign force. What will Tassos "show" the world exactly ?

We all know that it is only a defacto recognition as a result of defacto situation in Cyprus.

Talat and Turkey are against the unification then ?

Talat and Turkey are against the "reunification" Hellenic ruling elite dream of: A Greek Cypriot state with a TC minority and without guarantorship of Turkey.

[BigDutch]

They can simply get all they ask for in trade, by accepting that their "TRNC" is illegal, and that the only legal thing in Cyprus is RoC

I beleive this to be correct. The sticking area, if partition is NOT on the agenda, is that TC community doesn't think they will get political equality as community.

[BigDutch]

So maybe you should start getting used to the idea that the next solution will be a bicommunal bizonal federation and not the RoC.

I thought the primary requirement was to assist the poor TC community "to not starve" as Brother has intimated. All the actions that have been requested/suggested by both sides will assist the TC including direct-trade/flights, green-line regs, shared port etc

The problem is that some of the request/suggestions will cement the partition, whilst others will bring the communities closer on a day to day basis.

[brother]

Whatever we say we can not be sure if any measures will be the reason for coming together or partition but as they say nothing ventured nothing gained.

[BigDutch]

It does matter at every stage. TCs communal struggle to survive as a "politically equal" community in Cyprus is not how you interprete it; struggle for partition.

As an outsider, yes that is how it looks.

We all know that it is only a defacto recognition as a result of defacto situation in Cyprus.

The "defacto situation" is the RoC is recognised as the sole island state, whilst the Turkish troops are seen as occupying force.

Talat and Turkey are against the "reunification" Hellenic ruling elite dream of: A Greek Cypriot state with a TC minority and without guarantorship of Turkey.

If the "Hellenic rulling elite dream" is one man one vote then yes i agree with you.

[insan]

The problem is that some of the request/suggestions will cement the partition, whilst others will bring the communities closer on a day to day basis.

This is your interpretation. Our interpretation is completely the opposite of this.

[BigDutch]

Whatever we say we can not be sure if any measures will be the reason for coming together or partition but as they say nothing ventured nothing gained.

I don't think anyone CANNOT agree with this statement.

Which measures you choose appears to be the sticking point. My weight is firmly behind measures that directly involve the RoC.