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[Viewpoint]

Didnt work then why should it work now????* Steping back in time is no way to go forward.

[insan]

I think we should use the 1960 constitution as the bases/backbone of the new discussions to find a solution, forget the annan plan it sucks and should be buried forever.

I'm not sure the 1960 constitution was much better Brother... having read through it during the past couple of weeks it was a crazy system of checks and balances that just invited deadlock and encouraged ethnically-divisive voting. I'm not sure we want to go back to that.

All these "political equality" and checks and balances systems suck actulally. Why don't we TCs simply accept the "majority rule", I wonder.

[cannedmoose]

All these "political equality" and checks and balances systems suck actulally. Why don't we TCs simply accept the "majority rule", I wonder.

I think the more checks and balances you put in, the more likely the system is to shut down. I also don't think 'majority rule' is going to be the way forward in Cyprus, both GC and TCs have now got used to running their own affairs and will be loath to give that up. Therefore, the plans for Constituent States within a federal system are, from what I can see, the only ones on the table.

Thus, in the limited areas that decisions would be taken in federation, the majority should obviously have the ultimate decision, but these areas should be carefully chosen. But in everyday matters, I think we're going to see both communities continue to govern themselves. Eventually, hoping that the ethnic differences will become a point of celebration rather than division, some greater form of federation could develop, but in the medium term at least, I can't see it working at all.

[Viewpoint]

Piratis quotes
Today the news said that Papadopoulos had asked Annan a month ago to start a new initiative.

Papadopoulos made the appeal at a press conference after talks with the visiting Polish President Aleksander Kwasniewski. "We presented a proposal last month to UN Secretary General Kofi Annan to start a new initiative (of talks)," Papadopoulos told reporters.

NTV has just reported Annan as saying no such request was ever made by Papadop. Explain this one away dear friends.

[Piratis]

Explain this one away dear friends.

I believe Papadopoulos said the truth. There is nothing else to explain. If you want believe what NTV or Annan said. No problem.

[insan]

Thus, in the limited areas that decisions would be taken in federation, the majority should obviously have the ultimate decision, but these areas should be carefully chosen.

Those limited areas should be related with the foreign policy, management of economy, taxation, security, migration and everything else which disturbs Hellenic ruling elite to grant TCs effective participation in decision making.

Thus, TCs must give the full control of Cyprus in hands of Hellenic ruling elite and must not disturb their "national cause".

[Viewpoint]

Thankyou Piratis think I will believe Annan rather than Papadop anyday.
The report of a survey conducted in southern cyprus also goes onto say 74% of Greek Cypriots would rather veto Turkey on its Eu path to get what they want, 68% do not see a solution in the near future, 40% say the army should go before any negotiaitons commence and 25% say settlers should leave.

[brother]

Where did you get that information, not that i doubt what you are saying.

[cannedmoose]

Explain this one away dear friends.

I believe Papadopoulos said the truth. There is nothing else to explain. If you want believe what NTV or Annan said. No problem.

Two pieces of info for you Piratis, seems like good ol' TPap was telling a porky pie. If it's been done informally, he should point this out. It's really not good form to lie about things like this in public...

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UN: No formal G/C proposal for resumption of Cyprus talks
CNA - UNITED NATIONS, NEW YORK-USA - 18/03/2005 08:22:39

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UN: No formal G/C proposal for resumption of Cyprus talks

By Apostolis Zoupaniotis

United Nations, Mar 18 (CNA) -- The United Nations clarified that no formal Greek Cypriot proposal has been presented for a resumption of talks on the Cyprus issue.

Commenting on reports, a UN SG spokesperson confirmed that there has been a recent meeting between the Republic's Permanent Representative to the UN, Ambassador Andreas Mavroyiannis, and Under-Secretary-General for Political Affairs, Sir Kieran Prendergast.

''The UN has noted press reports indicating that a Greek Cypriot proposal for a resumption of talks on the Cyprus issue was delivered during a recent meeting between Ambassador Mavroyiannis and the Under-Secretary-General for Political Affairs, Sir Kieran Prendergast. The UN would like to clarify that no formal proposals were presented at that meeting.''

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Cyprus government says no formal proposal submitted to UN
CNA - NICOSIA-Cyprus - 18/03/2005 16:43:16

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Cyprus government says no formal proposal submitted to UN

Nicosia, Mar 18 (CNA) - Government Spokesman Kypros Chrysostomides said that the Cypriot government has not submitted a formal proposal to the UN to resume deliberations on Cyprus but is conducting investigative contacts in the framework of efforts to resume talks.

He was invited to comment on a statement made by the UN Secretary-General's Spokesman, who on the one hand confirmed that there has been a recent meeting between the Republic's Permanent Representative to the UN Ambassador Andreas Mavroyiannis and UN Under-Secretary-General for Political Affairs Sir Kieran Prendergast, and on the other hand said ''no formal proposals were presented at that meeting.''

[brother]

So will you chaps now accept that tassos is two faced lying little judas who is decieving you as much as he is decieving the rest of the world with his fantasies which have not taken place.