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[alexISS]

*sigh*...thank you, phoenix

. . . also I can't resist smiling when I see your Groucho Marx avatar

Next year I'll switch to Harpo

[phoenix]

Too many Cypriots think that in order to remove the Turks . . we have to suck-up to the TCs, to placate them, by showing them we hate Greece and Greeks. This is immature.

Who mentioned anything about hate?

The point, and this is my point, I am a Cypriot, and that means by long term association closer to a way of life that includes tcs. I can't really associate with anything Greek...I mean its hard to explain it...I visited Greece once and felt like a stranger...Their outlook to life it's different to mine...But never hate them...My aim on this forum is to protect tour way of life and nothing more...and try and preserve a little bit for myself...

And just for the record they were the instigators of our demise...lets be fair on this one...we can say yeah it wasn't an elected government but its like saying the turks never killed the Armenians it was the Ottomans...

I am not saying this out of spite or out of malice, or they owes anything, but Nikitas is right, there is nothing for nothing and never was...Anything we get from someone, believe me we pay for it dearly...Its all about networking...

Boom, sorry I did not mean everyone . . .

. . . . although there have been a lot of hateful, anti-Greek remarks.

As for preserving a way of life and similarities . . . I still see the TCs as tied with the Turks, and that is no way of life I want to acquire.

The Turks' influence in Cyprus has only been around a few hundred years and it was not to the full exclusion of the Greek influence.

So for me the overriding influence in my mentality (I hope) is Greek, as opposed to Turkish.

That does not make me any less Cypriot.

[phoenix]

*sigh*...thank you, phoenix

. . . also I can't resist smiling when I see your Groucho Marx avatar

Next year I'll switch to Harpo

. . . . I hope that does not mean you'll lose your voice on the forum!

[alexISS]

*sigh*...thank you, phoenix

. . . also I can't resist smiling when I see your Groucho Marx avatar

Next year I'll switch to Harpo

. . . . I hope that does not mean you'll lose your voice on the forum!

Good one! Well, even if that happens, I'll be honking from time to time

[boomerang]

Phoeinix all I can say then is that you really were very unlucky to not experience the true way of life...Ask some elders...

My situation is I lived close to the TC area in limassol and we interacted everyday...I learned to count and swear ...I mean we had interaction at a very early age...and this in the mid sixties...There was no malice...My perception is that we needed a generation of being together and it would have worked our...unfortunately we got screw up...and lets not get into who...

A few years is one hell of a time Phoenix...Look at our selves for example...40 odd years and we are assimilated...

[alexISS]

Well I've spent some time in Cyprus and, apart from the driving, I saw no differences. I could understand what people were saying to each other. I was listening to the same music I was listening back home. The food was also the same. I saw no Turks or TCs around, but even if I had I doubt I could understand what they would be saying any worse than the GCs

[phoenix]

Phoeinix all I can say then is that you really were very unlucky to not experience the true way of life...Ask some elders...

My situation is I lived close to the TC area in limassol and we interacted everyday...I learned to count and swear ...I mean we had interaction at a very early age...and this in the mid sixties...There was no malice...My perception is that we needed a generation of being together and it would have worked our...unfortunately we got screw up...and lets not get into who...

A few years is one hell of a time Phoenix...Look at our selves for example...40 odd years and we are assimilated...

Boom . . . . The midwife who delivered me was TC, my parents employed TCs, I was in Cyprus until I was nearly 7, then lived in North London where my best friend for a number of years was TC. We assimilate with the TCs just as I assimilate with the Brits here in the UK.

But my overriding desire is what is good for Cyprus and I do not think the Turks are good for Cyprus or have ever done anything so worthwhile for, and to, Cyprus that they have been desirable assimilators into the GC way of life in Cyprus.

On top of a lacklustre influence in Cyprus, is the VERY real destruction of the population over the few hundred years they have invaded and pervaded.

Anyone that comes with such baggage of destruction is not worth having in Cyprus.

Cypriot sovereignty is well respected by Greeks but NOT by Turks.

[boomerang]

Well I've spent some time in Cyprus and, apart from the driving, I saw no differences. I could understand what people were saying to each other. I was listening to the same music I was listening back home. The food was also the same. I saw no Turks or TCs around, but even if I had I doubt I could understand what they would be saying any worse than the GCs

Thats it Alexis...Nothing for nothing eh?

I said earlier its like networking...a pyramid...the top feeding the bottom...and in Greece today they drive on the same side as the yanks, understand what they saying, listening to the same music, virtually eat the same food..etc get my drift?...I call that control wouldn't you?

Before you go labelling a what ever political thingie...let it be known, I am in the fortunate position just doing my own thing...I just let common sence prevail...

I am not interested in what your experience is or if you understood the lingo...this is a shallow argument...You totally missed what it means to be a Cypriot...I bet you never lived in a multi culture society, and so far in harmony, knock on wood, for me that is...to know what I am talking about...A gc is nothing with out all the minorities...It makes us richer...But again you probably would't understand...

[EPSILON]

Epsilon,

The settlers and the invasion army, as well as the future relationship with Turkey is very much in the fore of all Cypriots' thinking about the future. We also know that these problems cannot be solved by anyone other than Cypriots themselves. It is no longer possible to rely on Greece. Not becaue Greece is not to be trusted, but because being independent means solving problems on your own.

I never ask any Cypriot to rely on Greece . but saying that problem will solve by Cypriots alone means that we are living on theories- Turkish invasion forces do not belong to Cypriots but will play a huge role in any solution of cooperation and co-control of the Island.

The meaning of not loose our Ethicity and bacame equal with shelters against the Turkish invasion forces is to prevent special rights basis our Ethnicity and his has nothing to do with union with Greece and other sophisticated theories.

[EPSILON]

My friend, if it wasnt for Yannos Kranidiotis we would not get into the EU no matter what Greece wanted. It was a one man effort from the start. Greece did help, but without Kranidiotis we would not get very far, go back to the press reports through the 90s and later and see who worked on the accession. It also helped that Cyprus could complete each dossier fully and in time.

Correct Kranidiotis played a central role in this case but not alone and top of all, acting as member of the Greek government.-Strange, a man who per your theories was not Greek but simple Cypriot was member of a Greek government.!