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[alexISS]

If Greece is not responsible and obliged to make some amends then who is? Is this going to be another of those international fuckups where no one is responsible?

Greece has been supporting Cyprus with all its power since 1974, and you know that. The most recent example is Cyprus's EU accession. If it wasn't for Greece, Papadopoulos's constant fuck-ups would have made Cyprus the first country to be denied EU entry days before the signing of its accession!

[alexISS]

SO we come to the conclusion that the Junta did it. Post Junta Greece is not responsible in any way. OK, the signal this approach sends to Cypriots is that they are alone in facing a nation of 80 million, and its fully NATO equipped army. Which is OK too, if the situation was clarified for all and everyone knew the score. The problem is we are not allowed to know the score. The National Guard is still Greek dominated, presumably to keep Cyprus under control and not allow a long term liberation strategy to be implemented. So Greece is involved as a policeman to keep us in check, as always, and not to kick out the invader, who plans to take over the whole island, as always.

So your problem is that you need someone other than yourselves to take the blame, no matter who that might be.
What other "complaints" do you have regarding Greece's support to Cyprus, other than the F15s and the ferry link?

[Nikitas]

My friend, if it wasnt for Yannos Kranidiotis we would not get into the EU no matter what Greece wanted. It was a one man effort from the start. Greece did help, but without Kranidiotis we would not get very far, go back to the press reports through the 90s and later and see who worked on the accession. It also helped that Cyprus could complete each dossier fully and in time.

[alexISS]

My friend, if it wasnt for Yannos Kranidiotis we would not get into the EU no matter what Greece wanted. It was a one man effort from the start. Greece did help, but without Kranidiotis we would not get very far, go back to the press reports through the 90s and later and see who worked on the accession. It also helped that Cyprus could complete each dossier fully and in time.

Greece did more than just "help" Nikitas. Greece jeopardised its relations with all the EU members when it threatened to veto the whole expansion process if Cyprus was excluded. You can be sure that without that threat Cyprus would never get in. Also, Kranidiotis, who was indeed a great man, worked for the Cypriot accession as a member of the Greek government, not the Cypriot.

[Nikitas]

LIke I said, let us know the score. We are getting mixed signals all the time. One day we hear that any advance by the invading forces would mean war on all fronts. Then another day we hear that in 1974 we suffered a military and diplomatic defeat (the we in this case being the Cypriots, the speaker being a PASOK leading member) and therefore we must accept any old plan put before us, the implication being that Greece is not going to resist such hasty and negative plans. This is confusion.

[alexISS]

LIke I said, let us know the score. We are getting mixed signals all the time. One day we hear that any advance by the invading forces would mean war on all fronts. Then another day we hear that in 1974 we suffered a military and diplomatic defeat (the we in this case being the Cypriots, the speaker being a PASOK leading member) and therefore we must accept any old plan put before us, the implication being that Greece is not going to resist such hasty and negative plans. This is confusion.

What is confusing is the persistence with which some Greek Cypriots turn against their only true ally. I sincerely hope you'll fail in your attempt to alienate the Greeks from their Greek Cypriot brothers

[phoenix]

It's good to hear a rational speaking Greek like AlxISS reminding us of who our real long term friend and ally is . . . Greece.

Too many Cypriots think that in order to remove the Turks . . we have to suck-up to the TCs, to placate them, by showing them we hate Greece and Greeks. This is immature.

Erasing our relationship with Greece, a fellow EU member, means the Turks have not only invaded our Country but also our minds.

It's time to redress the balance . . . we don't have to deny the positive roles Greece has played, just because of one mistake by a non-elected government.

[alexISS]

*sigh*...thank you, phoenix

[boomerang]

Too many Cypriots think that in order to remove the Turks . . we have to suck-up to the TCs, to placate them, by showing them we hate Greece and Greeks. This is immature.

Who mentioned anything about hate?

The point, and this is my point, I am a Cypriot, and that means by long term association closer to a way of life that includes tcs. I can't really associate with anything Greek...I mean its hard to explain it...I visited Greece once and felt like a stranger...Their outlook to life it's different to mine...But never hate them...My aim on this forum is to protect tour way of life and nothing more...and try and preserve a little bit for myself...

And just for the record they were the instigators of our demise...lets be fair on this one...we can say yeah it wasn't an elected government but its like saying the turks never killed the Armenians it was the Ottomans...

I am not saying this out of spite or out of malice, or they owes anything, but Nikitas is right, there is nothing for nothing and never was...Anything we get from someone, believe me we pay for it dearly...Its all about networking...

[phoenix]

*sigh*...thank you, phoenix

. . . also I can't resist smiling when I see your Groucho Marx avatar