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IM NOT SURE I WANT A UNITED CYPRUS ANYMORE

How can we solve it? (keep it civilized)

Postby Peterc » Fri Nov 23, 2007 9:30 am

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Nikitas wrote:Kifeas stated it well in his past posts- If partition is on the table then the territory split must be 18-82 per cent and the coastline shared along the same lines. He even had a map to show how the situation would look.

Like PeterC, I feel that the situation with this "we are a special case" whining of the TCs does get tedious. It is tempting to say OK go over the fence and be as special as you want on your own, leave us alone. Not fair, but tempting.

Letting go of Karpasia forever is like losing an arm. But the alternative sometimes does seem worse.


Now you are waking up to the fact that agreed division is the only real solution as both sides lack the depth and understanding to compromise and unite, welcome to the real world.


oh, I think both GCs and TCs do have the understanding to compromise and unite, I think its the Turkish army that may have a problem with this. name one instance when Turkey gave something back? In the same breath, why should they? As long as America has use for them, they dont have to. As for all this crap about 'we are in Europe', The Puppet, britain, dosent care!!!!
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Postby paaul12 » Fri Nov 23, 2007 9:39 am

humanist wrote:


the British have recently recognised the so called trnc through their treaty



:D :D :D
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Postby observer » Fri Nov 23, 2007 9:49 am

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Why would an EU or non EU country sign a treaty with an occupying force is beyond me. Simple and clear

Can this be a reference to the same Turkey that RoC is screaming to to open its airports and sea ports to G-C registered planes and ships. Politics. Simple and clear enough for you?
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Postby miltiades » Fri Nov 23, 2007 10:20 am

VP ,
May we have just a couple of examples of how you perceive that in a democracy the democratic rights and above all the human rights of the T/Cs or other Cypriots would be jeopardised , walked upon or ignored. You have mentioned the likelihood of T/Cs being persecuted or worst .
What examples can you give , lets say steps taken by the ROC that would be detrimental to the T/C community .
You are always expressing such fears , please tell us the areas that you feel that such fears might become a reality.
Put up or shut up .
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Postby humanist » Fri Nov 23, 2007 10:53 am

Can this be a reference to the same Turkey that RoC is screaming to to open its airports and sea ports to G-C registered planes and ships. Politics. Simple and clear enough for you?


No it is not Britain is an EU country, Cyprus is an EU country. Turkey is not therefore EU ought to honour a member state as opposed to the occupying nation being Turkey.
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Postby DT. » Fri Nov 23, 2007 11:04 am

MR-from-NG wrote:
Get Real! wrote:All right boys... have you had enough yet? 8)

MrFromNG... let me know when you're ready to kiss Tpaps butt for mercy... :lol:


OK, this should be a clue as to how much I love Cyprus.


I'll kiss his butt the day he resolves the Cyprob. That's a promise. :wink:


there goes my lunch....
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Postby observer » Fri Nov 23, 2007 11:08 am

Britain is an EU country and has signed a treaty with Turkey (is it really a treaty - don't know) to work for a number of goals that are stated to be EU goals.

RoC is an EU country that is wanting Turkey to work for a goal that is an EU goal.

Don't see much difference myself, save for each country pursuing interests that are specific to itself.
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Postby miltiades » Fri Nov 23, 2007 11:45 am

observer wrote:Britain is an EU country and has signed a treaty with Turkey (is it really a treaty - don't know) to work for a number of goals that are stated to be EU goals.

RoC is an EU country that is wanting Turkey to work for a goal that is an EU goal.

Don't see much difference myself, save for each country pursuing interests that are specific to itself.

Observer , let me just come in on this.Britain was not ONLY a guarantor power for Cyprus's independence but it also WAS the protagonist in drafting out the Zurich Agreement of 1959 . When Turkey invaded Cyprus 1974 , Britain remained idle and failed in its obligations as a Guarantor party along with the other Guarantor Greece. Some years later a select committee appointed by the British parliament found that Britain failed in its legal duty to intervene and stop the invasion of Cyprus by Turkey. We understand that all powers throughout history have been driven by their duty to their interests and those of their people , (shame that the UK now has given up in caring for ITS OWN people , its OWN troops . its OWN old people , politicians are a bunch of arseholes solely in politics to enhance their private coffers ) however the British in pursuit of their own perceived interests have neglected the people of Cyprus and have forgotten , or couldn't care less , that the overwhelming number of Cypriot people view Turkey , rightly so , as an occupying power. To go ahead and further add insult to injury by instigating a fresh strategic alliance with Cyprus's occupier is a disgrace . This is not a question of an EU member wishing to strengthen strategic positions for the benefit of the EU. The fact that Cyprus demands that Turkey allows its ships and ferries access to Turkish ports is immaterial and unconnected to the core issue. I'm a vociferous supporter of the West , USA and Britain in particular but will not hesitate to condemn such disgraceful policies by either the British or the American administration. Britain has , I'm afraid lost its sense of direction , those who fought in two world wars would be turning in their graves at what is today happening to this nation , a nation governed by politicians with Traffic Warden mentality.
Let me remind you of another blunder by successive British governments.
The Zurich agreement , drafted by the BRITISH , provided for two sovereign basis in Cyprus in return for which an annual rent would be paid !!!!! Not a fg..ng penny , you know why , because they , the British government , saw fit to declare that since Cyprus is no longer governing itself according to the Zurich agreement , they therefore have every right to withhold rent payments .!!! Yet they accept that the ROC IS THE ONLY LEGAL GOVERMENT OF CYPRUS.
Two faced or what , a bunch of bloody wankers I say ! They have turned this nation , the UK , into a third world bloody country.We cant even celebrate Xmas without some ponce having a poke.
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Postby observer » Fri Nov 23, 2007 12:06 pm

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You'd be surprised how much of what you say I agree with. I'd only really disagree with you saying that Greece idly stood by. Greece started the ball rolling by invading Cyprus in 1974 (Makarios said so) forcing Turkey to intervene.
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Postby Viewpoint » Fri Nov 23, 2007 1:37 pm

miltiades wrote:VP ,
May we have just a couple of examples of how you perceive that in a democracy the democratic rights and above all the human rights of the T/Cs or other Cypriots would be jeopardised , walked upon or ignored. You have mentioned the likelihood of T/Cs being persecuted or worst .
What examples can you give , lets say steps taken by the ROC that would be detrimental to the T/C community .
You are always expressing such fears , please tell us the areas that you feel that such fears might become a reality.
Put up or shut up .


Stop trade with Turkey.

Severe diplomatic ties with Turkey.

Give Cyprus to Greece.

Make Greek the only official language.

GCs are devious and will do everything within their power to oust TCs out of power sharing and even the country. If you claim you are not then prove it accept safeguards which will ensure you do not do the things you already claim you will never do.
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