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[shahmaran]

"Also i think its you people who love doing the flag pole climbing, if we want something from there we just shoot it down "

With an attitude like that why moan about what happened in Bosnia? Or is shooting a sport exclusively reserved for Ottoman nobles?

Moan? Who is moaning, i was merely pointing out another Greek involvement in the latest genocide of the century to the ignorant people who seem to forget who they are. I suppose thats just an exclusive sport for the EU club too then is it?

[Kikapu]

How easy is it for Turkish Cypriots to emigrate to Turkey?

. . . We hear a lot about disconcerted TCs leaving for the UK . . . . . but what about those that see Turkey as a pioneering place (:roll:) to live and work.

Do the TCs have instant access to Turkey?

If so, obviously leading on from what Nikitas said, they should not be encouraged back to Cyprus once the Turkish troops have left and we have re-unification.

I'm not at all for certain, but my twin sister has been living in Turkey for the last 35+ years, and she only has a permit to live there, despite being married to a Turk and having had children there.

Kikapu ,
again u giving wrong information.
every TC's holds TRNC identification card can get Turkish Passports and Turkish İidentification card.
month ago my cousin came from London. He was born in UK. Both Parents are TC's. He applied for TRNC identification and he got it. After that he paid 3million YTL for Army to be free from military services.
He applied for Turkish citizen ship and he got it.
[color=darkred]He can goto Turkey now without visas also he can work or can open business or he can buy house in Turkey.[/color]

On the other hand, Turks were able to come and settle in Cyprus (Occupied Areas) problem free, and to sweeten the deal even more, they got to move into other Cypriots Properties, cost or rent free. So I think this privilege only works one way. I would like to see any Cypriot TC or GC go to Turkey and just move into another person's property. They better pad their butts with thick cushions, for the Ass Kicking they will get from the authorities and the owners of those properties.

İt is not that much easy to get a land or buy land now . Laws are change now.To get a job also difficult now. Some business man have to get permission for u .even if they get the permission there is a time on it .they have to renew it again.

To many TC's are working at Turkey.
lots of them doctors,engineers
well known heart and brain surgery doctors are TC's.

Halil,

I did say that I was not certain, therefore the reader was cautioned on information given.

As far as your cousin getting a Turkish Passport, can only be to benefit himself for staying in Turkey, because it has little value outside Turkey, specially when he is holding a British Passport. Many Turks would love to be able to trade their Turkish Passports to a British or a EU one.

Is it not true, that in Turkey there are 2 types of Turkish Passports, and depending on your social status, determines which one you get. If you are well off, you can get one type that one can obtain visas from foreign embassies much easier, and then there's another for the rest of the people, who are put at the end of the line and can wait for months. There does seem to be a separation of class's in Turkey where the majority, the poor working class are discriminated by their own nation. Take for example some of the hotels I visited near Antalya. I can book a room for myself around 100 Euros for a night on line from abroad, but for majority of the Turks who live in Turkey, will be charged more. Never mind the cost is beyond the reach of average Turk, but are further discriminated by charging them more. My brother in law, could not even get the price for the hotel's nightly cost over the phone. I had to go through a local tour agent to arrange for their stay couple of years back, so that the "twins" could celebrate our 50th Birthday together.

[Nikitas]

The "involvement" you are talking about were three of four weirdos who went and volunteered, in a similar fashion that a self styled "mujahedin" were on the other side. How does all this justify killing an unarmed civilian because he was climbing a flagpole? He was being pursued by UN soldiers at the time and would have been arrested in seconds if the "heroic" mustachioed asshole had not shot him. If this is the kind of action you admire you are missing a lot in life.

[shahmaran]

Nikitas i think its actually worth arguing my point within its context, which is the other thread, over here it is easily misunderstood, my point was there to counterattack the exact opposite view of what was initially posted there, over her it is meaningless. In fact to be more precise, Phoenix and that other new idiot were using -just like you said- the acts of a few in order to attack the whole, and thats what i was trying to point out, it might have been a little too subtle for some i admit

From our side, that guy who climbed the flag post was also another "heroic" mustachioed asshole, if it was me doing it im sure i would have not gotten treated any differently on your side, but knowing the GCs, they would have probably not done it in front of the cameras just like the sneaky way they do everything else. Also if you look at the footage you will see that the UN soldier was also threatening to shoot him down and had his rifle pointed at him, but the cop acted first. But of course if it was the UN soldier who had shot him down it wouldn't be half as "barbaric"


Kikapu i am not sure where you saw 2 different passports but i have never seen nor heard of them, in fact you will find that the poor people seem to get visas much easier compared to the "rich" people, just look at Germany or Holland, on the other hand i have been to Turkey for holiday many times, and the tourists are the ones who always get ripped off, if you actually talk to them in Turkish they usually give you a discreet discount and ask you to keep it to yourself.

[Nikitas]

Shah,

The U.S. State department issued a statement the day that flag incidnet happened. Refer to it, it gives a less partisan view than I would. By the way the murderer was not a policeman but a former member of the TRNC government who has never been called to account for his act. He was recorded at Istanbul airport making statements like "shooting vermin is acceptable". This tolerance to the man says a lot about the society he lives in.

Whether "our side" would have shot down someone for attempting to climb a flagpole well, the incidence of tourists tearing up and otherwise abusing flags is a frequent occurence and no one has been shot for it yet.

[Nikitas]

On a more general point, there is great use of the subjunctive case in many arguments made by the TCs on this forum once presented with a fact. Responses like "the GCs would have done" or "had we done X you would do Y" .

How can anyone be so sure about what would happen, unless they claim mind reading abilities?

[shahmaran]

Nikitas if you watch the shooting you can clearly see a police man (or a man in a police uniform) walk out of the 1st floor balcony behind the pole, shoot the man with a pistol and walk back in. Do i agree with whatever comments he supposedly made or what he did, no i don't, bu i can also assure you that it is not the same case as some people tearing up your flag on your side, no one would get shot on my side for it either and they usually dont, but this was a major protest, a very heated situation, and it was on the borderline during a ceasefire agreement and im sure the GC forces would have shot me down if i was there to rip down your flag to demonstrate that you dont belong there or whatever other stupid reason that man might have had.

Im sorry but although its a shame for anyone to die, unfortunately natural selection makes sure that generally the idiots die first and he had made his choice and there is nothing heroic nor respectable for what he did, it was plain stupid and if he was someone i loved i would be god dam pissed off with him for the rest of my life for being so reckless and stupid.

And to your second post, you might be right, but then we also see a LOT of comments like "oh look what he did, i think it says a lot about the society he lives in" is also pretty inaccurate don't you think? Its not like people here need any real excuses to attack Turks, but the doings of 1 man seems to be more then enough to dismiss an entire nation, as you have done just now. So you can see that its a double edged knife dont u?

[Nikitas]

The nation dismissed itself when it did not hold an inquiry into the shooting. We saw the shooting several times on CNN and the shooter was not in uniform. You can retreive it on Youtube nd see it if you feel like it. There no attempt to catch the proteser and place him under arrest after he slipped through the UN barrier.

Post shooting procedure in the RoC and in Greece and most civilised countries is for a full inquiry including a ballistics test on the pistol of the officer. None of this happened. It is the surrounding circumstances that speak of the whole plus the idiotic statements by PM Tansu Ciller.

There is an Interpol warrant on the shooter. When he is caught it will be interesting to hear his legal defence. Hope is more than "they would have done the same had they situation been the other way around"

[phoenix]

Nikitas i think its actually worth arguing my point within its context, which is the other thread, over here it is easily misunderstood, my point was there to counterattack the exact opposite view of what was initially posted there, over her it is meaningless. In fact to be more precise, Phoenix and that other new idiot were using -just like you said- the acts of a few in order to attack the whole, and thats what i was trying to point out, it might have been a little too subtle for some i admit

From our side, that guy who climbed the flag post was also another "heroic" mustachioed asshole, if it was me doing it im sure i would have not gotten treated any differently on your side, but knowing the GCs, they would have probably not done it in front of the cameras just like the sneaky way they do everything else. Also if you look at the footage you will see that the UN soldier was also threatening to shoot him down and had his rifle pointed at him, but the cop acted first. But of course if it was the UN soldier who had shot him down it wouldn't be half as "barbaric"

Shah if you mean the murders of the missionaries, then you are quite wrong to assume that I was attacking "the whole" and that this was unjustified.

The argument was the fact that religion-intolerance murders are on the increase in Turkey (since 2004) and EVEN worse, that the courts and some politicians are not taking the view that suitable punishment has to be enforced.

[shahmaran]

Oh NOW you put it like that, right...