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[phoenix]

How easy is it for Turkish Cypriots to emigrate to Turkey?

. . . We hear a lot about disconcerted TCs leaving for the UK . . . . . but what about those that see Turkey as a pioneering place (:roll:) to live and work.

Do the TCs have instant access to Turkey?

If so, obviously leading on from what Nikitas said, they should not be encouraged back to Cyprus once the Turkish troops have left and we have re-unification.

[Nikitas]

I do not know about Turkey, but in Greece Cypriots have to get a residence permit, along with all other foreign residents. I have been here 33 years and still have to stand in line and get my permit every 5 years, as does my son who was born here. And one little detail, my name is coped from my passport in which it is written in Latin characters and it is then transliterated into Greek so you get the name Charalambos written into your permit as Tsaralambos. Had many arguments with police officers at the aliens bureau about this but to no avail. You just have to experience the local buraucracy to believe it!

[Kikapu]

How easy is it for Turkish Cypriots to emigrate to Turkey?

. . . We hear a lot about disconcerted TCs leaving for the UK . . . . . but what about those that see Turkey as a pioneering place (:roll:) to live and work.

Do the TCs have instant access to Turkey?

If so, obviously leading on from what Nikitas said, they should not be encouraged back to Cyprus once the Turkish troops have left and we have re-unification.

I'm not at all for certain, but my twin sister has been living in Turkey for the last 35+ years, and she only has a permit to live there, despite being married to a Turk and having had children there.

On the other hand, Turks were able to come and settle in Cyprus (Occupied Areas) problem free, and to sweeten the deal even more, they got to move into other Cypriots Properties, cost or rent free. So I think this privilege only works one way. I would like to see any Cypriot TC or GC go to Turkey and just move into another person's property. They better pad their butts with thick cushions, for the Ass Kicking they will get from the authorities and the owners of those properties.

[phoenix]

So the Turks really are employing colonising principles, on the north of Cyprus, if they allow this (encouraged) free-movement of people-traffic, one way only.

[Kikapu]

So the Turks really are employing colonising principles, on the north of Cyprus, if they allow this (encouraged) free-movement of people-traffic, one way only.

...I think the lights just came on.

And our poor Zan thinks he can pass for a Turk just by going to a Turkish Rally in London.

Poor confused Zan.

[clive of payia]

Me thinks you had better get used to the idea of a united island, for you are going to get it anyway.

When dear old Papadoc got the GC's to reject the Annan Plan he lost all credibility with the major western world leaders, particularly the EU. You know that Greece didn't support him by staying rather silent on the issue.

You can see all the signs that he is being sidelined and many countries are now starting the process of recognising the TRNC. Why? Because the TRNC will be held as a "hostage to fortune" when Turkey wants to join the EU. Turkey will agree to anything to obtain membership of the EU. Withdraw their army, return any property belonging to GC's, open the ports, repatriate the Settlers, etc, etc,. The rest of the world can see what is going to happen but poor of Papdoc just will not face reality.

So my dear GC's you will get a reunited island and dear old Papadoc, if he is still president, will not able to do anything about it as it will be a United Nations decision not an EU one where he could veto it. The UN contingent on the island will be dramatically increased for some time to ensure their are no repeats of the ethnic cleansing that went on before. I know, I was here in 1973/4 and saw it for myself.

The diplomatic approach has been tried and failed so now its the tyre lever. There will no doubt be lots of protestations and demonstrations in the streets but after a couple of years it will settle down and all of us that live in this island can live together in peace, harmony and prosperity. You only have to look at Northern Ireland to see that in the end both sides have to come to an agreement.

So when the elections are over the new president of Cyprus and Turkey will be invited to New York with suitcases packed for a long stay. Happy New Year Cyprus you have waited so long for this. We all wish you luck.

[shahmaran]

There is no limitation for any TRNC citizen living in Turkey, i can assure you, i don't know what the deal with your sister is Kikapu but i have stayed and worked in Turkey before with nothing but a TRNC id card and i have had no issues other then a few ignorant bank staff who insisted i give them a real id but their superiors sorted it out in no time.

So you assumptions are totally wrong Phoenix...

[Kikapu]

There is no limitation for any TRNC citizen living in Turkey, i can assure you, i don't know what the deal with your sister is Kikapu but i have stayed and worked in Turkey before with nothing but a TRNC id card and i have had no issues other then a few ignorant bank staff who insisted i give them a real id but their superiors sorted it out in no time.

So you assumptions are totally wrong Phoenix...

My sister never had to work in Turkey, so employment problems were never an issue Shah, as far as permits, and when she traveled, it was with her British Passport. I need to ask her next time I talk to her, but I seem to remember she needed to renew her residential permit every now and then. It could also be, that she might not have a "TRNC" ID card. Perhaps that would be the difference between my sister and you, I'm guessing..

[Get Real!]

...i have stayed and worked in Turkey before with nothing but a TRNC id card and i have had no issues other then a few ignorant bank staff who insisted i give them a real id but their superiors sorted it out in no time.

Not even Turkey recognizes the "TRNC" id card and you expect recognition from the rest of the world?

[phoenix]

There is no limitation for any TRNC citizen living in Turkey, i can assure you, i don't know what the deal with your sister is Kikapu but i have stayed and worked in Turkey before with nothing but a TRNC id card and i have had no issues other then a few ignorant bank staff who insisted i give them a real id but their superiors sorted it out in no time.

So you assumptions are totally wrong Phoenix...

Staying for some time and actually having citizenship are surely two different things. Would you have been allowed welfare eg state pension (I know you're too young ) or voting in an election ?. . . that sort of thing. Which seems to be what settlers have been given in illegally-occupied north Cyprus

The fact that your "TRNC" card was not recognised by the bank staff (average Turkish citizen) should be a worrying indicator.