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[Get Real!]

No one is just Cypriot, no such thing,

You heard the man so get over it VP...
Bastardized Cypriots aren't in fashion anymore.

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No one is just Cypriot, no such thing,

You heard the man so get over it VP...
Bastardized Cypriots aren't in fashion anymore.

Bastardized?? Fashion??

[Nikitas]

PeterC Wrote

"we are both proud people and many would carry grudges. perhaps in the next generation."

Of course we carry grudges and anyone who manages not to is a much better and grander person than I.

But, there is a slight detail in here. I can work out my grudges with Turkish Cypriots even if that means coming to a deal that is unfair to me. It would be a loss to fellow Cypriots. But being forced to yield by mainland Turks is totally out of the question. Anyone who does not understand the difference is not aware of what being a Cypriot is all about.

Between us Cypriots there is a deal to be worked out, we have things to trade with one another, both material and otherwise. There is nothing either "motherland" can contribute to this deal, and of course Britain has even less than nothing to contribute. But we still tolerate these three as guarantor powers. We are a funny bunch!

[oranos64]

whenever anyone mentions a plan or "talks", psychologically i wait to see how we are gonna be shafted. i dont think there will ever be a fair plan whilst the American 'Empire' exists, and needs Turkey.

pete was it quiet at home or in the office today ...you chatting on this about the north side ....etc ...pish ...did you see the world cup draw

[utu]

Reading about various folk on this forum speaking about the United States of America as this giant 'bogeyman' is both amusing, and disappointing. While the foreign policies of the Bush Administration are causing great costernation amongst various countries, Don't lump all the ills of the world on the USA. Americans - like Canadians - are by and large decent people.

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PeterC Wrote

"we are both proud people and many would carry grudges. perhaps in the next generation."

Of course we carry grudges and anyone who manages not to is a much better and grander person than I.

But, there is a slight detail in here. I can work out my grudges with Turkish Cypriots even if that means coming to a deal that is unfair to me. It would be a loss to fellow Cypriots. But being forced to yield by mainland Turks is totally out of the question. Anyone who does not understand the difference is not aware of what being a Cypriot is all about.

Between us Cypriots there is a deal to be worked out, we have things to trade with one another, both material and otherwise. There is nothing either "motherland" can contribute to this deal, and of course Britain has even less than nothing to contribute. But we still tolerate these three as guarantor powers. We are a funny bunch!

No one is disagreeing with you here, what Tcs say is these people should be treated humanely to standards set by both TCs and GCs but the same should be administered to immigrants the "RoC" has granted citizenship to sice 1974.

[humanist]

VP

No one is disagreeing with you here, what Tcs say is these people should be treated humanely to standards set by both TCs and GCs but the same should be administered to immigrants the "RoC" has granted citizenship to sice 1974.

VP could you please clarify this for me. I don't understand what you are trying to say here. Thank you.

Nikitas ...... that was a very important post. I do agree that Cypriots need to hold discussions and deals to make.

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VP

No one is disagreeing with you here, what Tcs say is these people should be treated humanely to standards set by both TCs and GCs but the same should be administered to immigrants the "RoC" has granted citizenship to sice 1974.

VP could you please clarify this for me. I don't understand what you are trying to say here. Thank you.

Nikitas ...... that was a very important post. I do agree that Cypriots need to hold discussions and deals to make.

Your problem is with the settlers and conceding to them, Tcs are not against settlers going back but there has to be criteria mutually agreed, for example a family who settled here 20 years ago who's children have grown up here cannot be expected to go back to Turkey they have set up their lives here, in the same breath of course if they live in a disputed house they should be asked to compensate the GC owner or vacate, resettling them will be down to us the TCs and Turkey.

The criteria we agree between us should also imo be applied to people the "RoC" have granted citizenship to over the past 33 years, would you agree to this?

[humanist]

VP I don't actually have a problem with settlers, and what I have heard when I was in Cyprus just recently is the class separation between settlers and Cypriots, living in the north. I heard it before but it was very evident when I was there and especially the day I visited Kyrenia.

You have a valid point that families have set up lives of 20 years and that needs to be taken into consideration. I think it is kind of you to mention compensation or resettlement. I would go a step fuerther to say that they be given same rights as other EU residence if Turkey joins the EU whhich is something that will be inevitable if there is a solution to the Cypro.

And yes the same should apply for immigrants of the north since 1974, although I would say that the situation is different. But I tell you whta am with you on this one. Especially if I see the Romanians out (unfair statement on my part but we have had a bad experience with Romanians in Cyprus).

[Nikitas]

"No one is disagreeing with you here, what Tcs say is these people should be treated humanely to standards set by both TCs and GCs but the same should be administered to immigrants the "RoC" has granted citizenship to sice 1974."

Absolutely agree. Humane treatment in this case is simple to determine. Those married to Cypriots, and their children, get citizenship and automatic residence rights. The rest get financial compensation and leave. And to keep things fair for Cypriots, a similar financial scheme is set up to attract back to Cyprus the Cypriots that left. And to keep things even more fair, the scheme gives priority to Turkish Cypriots or it can be limited exclusively to Turkish Cypriots. It is insutlting to be concerned with foreigners when we have so many people of our own who were forcced by circumstances to emigrate.

My point is not about demographic balance etc. It is about fairness to Cypriots. It is strange to have all kinds of provisions for foreign settlers, as were made in the Annan plan, and nothing whatsoever about the Cypriots who were forced to leave by circumstances. It makes you wonder what Lord Hannay, the architect of the plan, was thinking when he chose to leave these people out of any settlement.

Fuerthermore, I believe that any plan that makes provision for settlers but not for Cypriots can be challenged in European and ECHR courts for failure to apply the principles of equality. Had the Annan plan been accepted I was ready to start legal proceedings asking for equal treatment with settlers. A settlement to succeed must turn the maximum number of CYPRIOTS into stake holders.