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[pythona]

Here is another unfairness of Tcs. They stole GC homes in the north and they use their old homes in the south for holidaying.

[zan]

...what an interesting topic. much reflection is needed. this is progress.

thank-you, GF.

zan your rebutal makes no sense to me, please try again. ps. yellow is very hard to read, and the use of colours in this case leave me to think that, you yourself are(is?) having a struggle with this debate.

Sorry....Wasn't really interested in this debate because it has no legs and did not read my response over to see if the colours worked.


Whenever a TC has asked, in the past, for other islands to be taken into consideration and even other conflicts...We have always been told by you lot that the Cyprob is unique. Ergo....Adding the Kurds into this is the same as that. The Kurds have never had an agreement like the Zurich agreement. That does not mean that I do not sympathise with the kurds. I believe they have been wronged in the past and there problem is not only with Turkey either. So....For someone to try and blur the edges on the Cyprob by bringing this in can only start another war of attrition on demands for moving the goal posts as I have done.

In answering this thread I was just being a bit cheeky on something that is inconsequential on as far as the Cyprob goes. I am surprised though that you are calling this a debate when I hope deep in your heart you agree with what I am saying. If not then I have misjudged you.

[repulsewarrior]

my first comments on the subject also were tongue in cheek, but like all things, there is truth in laughter.

The Treaty of Zurich, is a good place to start, I agree. And perhaps for the Kurds it is the Turkish Constitution, which is also in need of reform, but it is the act and the motive which remain elusive to all of us, ergo the errors remain in the thinking that must have a common thread as well, because in reality, as we know, we are all equal and the same.

[Oracle]

my first comments on the subject also were tongue in cheek, but like all things, there is truth in laughter.

The Treaty of Zurich, is a good place to start, I agree. And perhaps for the Kurds it is the Turkish Constitution, which is also in need of reform, but it is the act and the motive which remain elusive to all of us, ergo the errors remain in the thinking that must have a common thread as well, because in reality, as we know, we are all equal and the same.

Perhaps if you took each Article in the Zurich Treaty and gave it the "Fairness" evaluation we may arrive at a more sensible Agreement.

How amenable would the Turk-TCs be to agreeing to such a treatment or modification ..... as they seem to only want it because of how unfair it is.

They were none too pleased when Makarios tried to make it Democratically justifiable.

[boomerang]

Because is this not a CYPRUS forum not a Kurd (Be they Iraqui, Iranian, Turkish, Syrian) one.

The issues are always deflected away from the Cyprus problem. Now if GC's can agree the facts that problem didn't start in 74 due to the intervention but before that some progess may be made.

Deflection would have been if someone compared the Cyprus issue with lets say China and Tibet...

But what we have here is "turkey=fascist state" wanting something on the expence of others while not giving the same to her own population...now you get it?

So please go ahead and answer the man...why doesn't "turkey=fascsist state" does what she preaches?

[boomerang]

zan, I am sorry to say, but somewhere along you got lost in space...and this, failing to see that the dynamics have changed since the RoC join the EU...

Even "turkey=fascist state" recognises this...they went from problem solved in 74 to asking for a solution...in other words you got sold out buddy...

But its ok...I know and understand the meaning of getting sold out...we have been through it ourselves...

Don't agree with me?...take a look what the ATCA boys are saying... ...not a nice feeling...

There is only one Cyprus and it only caters for the Cyrpiots...unless of cource you wanna be a bitch to the motherlands...there is no free lunch Zan

[repulsewarrior]

boomer, few words and very clear, thank-you.

[zan]

zan, I am sorry to say, but somewhere along you got lost in space...and this, failing to see that the dynamics have changed since the RoC join the EU...

Even "turkey=fascist state" recognises this...they went from problem solved in 74 to asking for a solution...in other words you got sold out buddy...

But its ok...I know and understand the meaning of getting sold out...we have been through it ourselves...

Don't agree with me?...take a look what the ATCA boys are saying... ...not a nice feeling...

There is only one Cyprus and it only caters for the Cyrpiots...unless of cource you wanna be a bitch to the motherlands...there is no free lunch Zan

It is not my fault that you fall for every line that you are fed Boomers and now you are trying to sell me one......Turkey has always asked for a solution...It is Tpap and the likes that have always insisted on unreasonable demands that one has not come about. The fact that you swallow each and every bit of propaganda that Turkey, Greece and who ever puts out is your downfall and not mine. The twists and turns are simple to interpret if you use hindsight and try to look clever. The fact remains that a solution has to be the right one or we will walk...Turkey has not changed one bit on that. We will not let her. This is a two way thing mate. With all this in mind you are still telling little stories to scare the children and not offering the fair deal that will sort it all out. We are not going to be second class citizens in our own country Boomers so you had better get used to it. We are talking as one now and we know what we want and what we do not.

[boomerang]

zan, I am sorry to say, but somewhere along you got lost in space...and this, failing to see that the dynamics have changed since the RoC join the EU...

Even "turkey=fascist state" recognises this...they went from problem solved in 74 to asking for a solution...in other words you got sold out buddy...

But its ok...I know and understand the meaning of getting sold out...we have been through it ourselves...

Don't agree with me?...take a look what the ATCA boys are saying... ...not a nice feeling...

There is only one Cyprus and it only caters for the Cyrpiots...unless of cource you wanna be a bitch to the motherlands...there is no free lunch Zan

It is not my fault that you fall for every line that you are fed Boomers and now you are trying to sell me one......Turkey has always asked for a solution...It is Tpap and the likes that have always insisted on unreasonable demands that one has not come about. The fact that you swallow each and every bit of propaganda that Turkey, Greece and who ever puts out is your downfall and not mine. The twists and turns are simple to interpret if you use hindsight and try to look clever. The fact remains that a solution has to be the right one or we will walk...Turkey has not changed one bit on that. We will not let her. This is a two way thing mate. With all this in mind you are still telling little stories to scare the children and not offering the fair deal that will sort it all out. We are not going to be second class citizens in our own country Boomers so you had better get used to it. We are talking as one now and we know what we want and what we do not.

I was going to bed...

But let us look at the timeline...we went from

1...no more Cyprus problem
2...We will annex if the Roc joins the EU
3...we want a solution...

You can swallow all you want zan...but can you dispute the above?...I do not thnk so..."turkey=fascist state" has indeed changed her stance a few times...

Tomorrow you will do as to what you are told...

And on top of that you are sitting on ethnically cleansed land and you want to negotiate...and then you wonder and complain as to why recognition hasn't and won't come your way...the mind boggles...something in the water perhaps?

Mate you have been sold out...explain to me as to why "turkey=fascist state" accepted the fact there is an RoC whle she accepted her yes vote?

Maybe it was the martians...

End of the day "tukey=fascist state" will tell you what to do coz she is footing the bill...even the boys at ATCA are screaming the heads off...atleast they are being realistic when they say you have been sold out...

"turkey=fascist state" has EU aspirations and there is nothing you can do about it...why join a club if you do not have faith/believe in it in the first place?


PS..."turkey=fascist state" has changed her mind and its trying to get you the best deal...thats it...

Kikapu is right in saying the reason you outnembered in the north is becauseone day you will not have a say in the future...with all these "turks=fascist people" around...then what?...you gonna fight your bros?

[boomerang]

oh Gnight zan...