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[turkcyp]

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[insan]

That is the only reason they are seeking a recognition from Turkey. Otherwise there is nothing else GCs can gain from Turkeys recognition. I mean Turkey can go and fully recognize RoC tomorrow if she wishes under the existing borders, and also keep on recognizing TRNC with its current borders. Turkish recognition of RoC will not change anything on the ground.

I disagree with you turkcyp. For Turkey, "RoC" is defacto government of South Cyprus until a solution is found to Cyprus problem. If Turkey recognizes "RoC" as the only legitimate representative of RoC; she digs her own hole. If "RoC" is the only legitimate representative of whole Cyprus, then what is "TRNC"? Afterwards Turkey recognizes "RoC" as the only legitimate representative of whole Cyprus, "TRNC" is null. Even "TRNC" cannot be the defacto TC leadership of Cyprus if Turkey formaly recognizes defacto government of South Cyprus as the only legitimate government of Cyprus. That's what GC administration asks Turkey to do. They want a formal recognition because according to GC administration, Turkey is an invader and "TRNC" is an illegal entity. GC administration forces Turkey to make her accept that she is the invader of Cyprus and "TRNC" is illegal. Though we all know that "TRNC" is the self-proclaimed name of TC leadership. This is the game they are playing. It's not because of they want to bypass TC leadership. Today if TC leadership calls GC leadership to resume negotiation they have to attend.

[turkcyp]

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[insan]

I disagree with you turkcyp. For Turkey, "RoC" is defacto government of South Cyprus until a solution is found to Cyprus problem. If Turkey recognizes "RoC" as the only legitimate representative of RoC; she digs her own hole. If "RoC" is the only legitimate representative of whole Cyprus, then what is "TRNC"?

I guess you do not read my posts carefully. I said, Turkey can recognize RoC under the existing borders as a legit goverment in south, and also keep on recognizing TRNC under existing birder as a legit country in north.

Turkey on the other hand will never recognize RoC as a sovereign goverment in the north.

turkcyp, Turkey already recognizes defacto government of South Cyprus as GC administration. What kind of recognition is that the GC administration ask Turkey to fulfill? Tell me your opinion. Of course they ask Turkey to recognize them as the only legitimate government of RoC. Is it possible for Turkey? Impossible. Do you think Turkey will ever refer to Tassos as the President of Cyprus? No. So, does Tassos like to be called President of the Republic of South Cyprus? No. So what's the name of this game? This issue is not as simple as it is seen.

[Bananiot]

Well, I get the feeling that a discussion is taking place on an issue that simply does not exist. It all started after an obscure newspaper (Ethnos) report that the USA has now a different position on the A plan and the solution of the Cyprob. Today I listened to Condoliza Rice and Greek Foreign Minister Moliviatis state quite categorically that the only way forward is the A plan. No mention was made of a road map. I think that many newspaper stories are reported to serve a purpose and it is very important to be able to sieve through and discard what is trush.

I too believe that the only way forward is the A plan and if the two communities cannot agree on this then there is no solution. To keep the interest of the TC's alive we must send the right signals, otherwise, once the TC's lose interest, its partition with the blessings of the international community. Our government is not sending the right signals at the moment. In fact all signals sent are extremely negative and all the preconditions we attach for a new round of negotiations are telling the TG's (those that care for a solution) that we are not interested. In the meantime, Papadopoulos continuously delittles the TC community and its elected leadership by repeating that they are no less puppets of the turkish government. This is no way to treat the very same people you want to find a lasting solution with. Papadopoulos keeps repeating that he will only talk with Tayip Erdogan. I fully understand the anger and frustration of Talat. For 30 years we have been talking and making agreements with Denktas, now we we do not want to know about Talat.

So, it all boils down to one man again. Where is he taking us Alexandros?

[turkcyp]

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[insan]

Turkey has no recognition of RoC right now. Defacto recognition would be having trade, transportation etc. etc. relationships with RoC without recognizing it as sovereign state, which will happen before Oct. 3. this year.

Yes. Turkey recognizes "RoC" as Greek Cypriot administration. She recognizes only the leadership of "RoC".

Of course that is not the kind of recognition RoC is looking for. They are trying Turkey to accept that RoC is the sovereign government of whole Cyprus. Although this does not cahneg anything on the ground, it puts Turkey in a situation of acceptance of invading RoC. That is why that kind of recognition will never come.

But Turkey may indeed recognize RoC as a sovereign country and at the same time recognize TRNC as sovereign as well.

Yes, turkcyp. This is the situation. Turkey can only recognize "RoC" not RoC(Because there's no RoC now); as the defacto government of Republic of South Cyprus. But this is not what the GC administration ask from Turkey.

Then we'll read news reports saying: "Today the President of Defacto Republic of South Cyprus..." "EU representatives of Defacto Republic of South Cyprus..."

[turkcyp]

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[Alexandros Lordos]

Papadopoulos keeps repeating that he will only talk with Tayip Erdogan. I fully understand the anger and frustration of Talat. For 30 years we have been talking and making agreements with Denktas, now we we do not want to know about Talat.

So, it all boils down to one man again. Where is he taking us Alexandros?

As I have already said many times before, let's wait a few more weeks and see what happens. Talat doesn't yet hold the position of "Leader of the Turkish Cypriot community", nor does he have the authority to negotiate on behalf of the Turkish Cypriots. This position is still officially held by Denktash. Talat will, however, hold this position in a few weeks from now. That will be the litmus test for Tassos' intentions, and that is in fact "the date" which all the international diplomats are waiting for.

From information that I have, Tassos intends to send a letter to Annan after the elections in April, detailing the "areas of concern" of the Greek Cypriot side. He will avoid going into details about specific provisions of the plan, until negotiations have actually began and the Turkish Cypriot side also presents its negotiating positions. You may approve or disapprove of this approach, but I am 90% sure that this is what is going to happen ...

[Viewpoint]

Alexandros how many words constitute short one line sentences and how many do I have to use to warrant a merit mark for being constructive?? and what words do I have to avoid so as not to put out poisonious posts.
This is getting all to restrictive, cant I just post what I think, surely we should be allowed freedom of speach on here???