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Papadopoulos = intransigent = not to be trusted

[Alexandros Lordos]

Papadopoulos = intransigent = not to be trusted

He hasn't really been tested as a negotiator since 1977 - unless you count the "negotiations" which led up to Annan 5.

And back in 1977, he was instrumental in the drawing up of the High Level Agreement.

So I say, let's wait and see.

[erolz]

He hasn't really been tested as a negotiator since 1977 - unless you count the "negotiations" which led up to Annan 5.

And back in 1977, he was instrumental in the drawing up of the High Level Agreement.

So I say, let's wait and see.

Has he been tested as a upholder or agreements made (both spirit and letter)?

The recent reports (which may not be acurate but assuming they are) of TP 'going back' on the agreements made with TC community re the GC school in the North and the TC school in the South are I have to say very concerning to me re the 'sincerity' aspect of him as an agreement signer. At the end of the day an agreement is only worth the paper it is written on if those who sign it sincerely intent to uphold it - and not use it as a means to a different end.

I must admit TP remains a 'mystery / paradoxical' figure to me still. At times he can appear most progressive and sincere. At others he can appear hardline and old school. Very hard to read.

[boulio]

the perfect politician if he is hard to read.

[Viewpoint]

Papadopoulos = intransigent = not to be trusted = Denktas = Eoka minded = TC hater = No Solution = Recogniton of Division = how long are you willing to wait Alex????

[Alexandros Lordos]

Papadopoulos = intransigent = not to be trusted = Denktas = Eoka minded = TC hater = No Solution = Recogniton of Division = how long are you willing to wait Alex????

Where did you get all this stuff? Do you have any actual evidence to back these characterisations, or is it just ... things we have grown used to saying?

I meant we should wait until negotiations commence, and then we will see how he handles them.

[Alexandros Lordos]

I must admit TP remains a 'mystery / paradoxical' figure to me still. At times he can appear most progressive and sincere. At others he can appear hardline and old school. Very hard to read.

Hmm, I feel the same way about Talat, maybe it is the way of politicians, as boulio points out. They speak in different ways depending on the mood and the expectations of the audience ...

That's why I don't really trust public statements, whether progressive or hardline, as an indicator for a politician's true thoughts. Choices on the negotiating table are more reliable indicators, because they have real consequences, not just "voter appreciation" consequences.

I don't know about the TC school in Limassol. I haven't been following the details of the story, and it is not easy to really know the facts, but if it is true that Tassos is opposing the opening of a Turkish school, then that is bad news.

[garbitsch]

Hmm, I feel the same way about Talat, maybe it is the way of politicians, as boulio points out. They speak in different ways depending on the mood and the expectations of the audience ...

Isn't that the politics is all about??

[insan]

Tassos is an old classic of GCs. He will play every trump card he has until achieving a West Germany-East Germany style reunification based on "majority rule", "rule of law", "return of all refugees", "withdrawal of all Turkish troops", etc. I have respect for his beliefs. He, his crew and his outside backers are free to believe and struggle for whatever they wish. However, I'm sure about that his stance backed by Greece and Christian Democrats aka EPP will cause a big crash on EU-Turkey-US-Cyprus-Greece axis. Then we will all witness to the biggest disaster of the century.

Quatrain 1000
24.03.2005
Babado Bullos

[erolz]

That's why I don't really trust public statements, whether progressive or hardline, as an indicator for a politician's true thoughts. Choices on the negotiating table are more reliable indicators, because they have real consequences, not just "voter appreciation" consequences.

The problem is that TC (rightly or wrongly) consider that much of thier suffering (and GC suffering as well) came from the signing of the 1960 agreements by GC - who did so only to gain something (removal of british) and with no intention of subsequently honouring these agreements in either the spirit or the letter of them. This may be an incorrect perception and it remains rooted in the TC community phsyce. Personally I think there is much evidence (direct and empirical / circumstantial) to support such a view - though almost nothing in the real world is totaly black or totaly white. With such a 'history' the TC _perception_ of the sincereity of the people making and signing agreements becomes as important if not more important than the agreements themselves. What is it worth if TP shows his 'credentials' in making an agreement and then works to undermine the very agreements made (at the same time as creating enough confusion and 'reasons' for such action to the rest of the world)? My point then is that the agreements alone are not the be all or end all of a solution.

I don't know about the TC school in Limassol. I haven't been following the details of the story, and it is not easy to really know the facts, but if it is true that Tassos is opposing the opening of a Turkish school, then that is bad news.

I too have not bee following this closely and the information I have at the moment is limited. As I currently understand the situtation some form of agreement was made allowing the GC school in the North to be 'run' by the RoC (they set the ciriculum and they hire and apoint the teachers) and in return the same was to be allowed for a TC school in the South. The reports I have seen are now saying that TP has 'changed his mind' and is insisting that that TC school in the South be controlled by the RoC and (they set the ciriculum and appoint the teachers). In the context of the previous parapgraph, and on the assumption that this is what has happned, this then is a very damaging move with repercussion way beyond those of just the schools issue. It is, to me, all about how much agreements can be trusted. We feel (rightly or wrongly) that GC agreed something in 1960 that they never intended to honour. We fear a repeat of this in future agreements. The schools issue (if accurate) feeds these fears - as do statements like thouse from 'boulio' that have stated that GC have very valid right to ignore any agreement they consider is not in their interests.