In the u.k a muslim cleric called 'hamza' or the 'hook' as he is known in the press, speaks against the goverment and publicly declares his support for the muslim terrorists, he has been arrested and is now in prison awaiting trial.
Freedom of speech does not mean the right to undermine your country by supporting its enemies or sensitive topics.
Do you know in the u.k there is still in effect a law that allows the queen to have you imprisoned for insult(to the royal family) at her pleasure and can even give it the label treason.
Turkish Penal Code
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by -mikkie2- » Thu Mar 17, 2005 1:15 pm
Brother,
Hamza was arrested because he is being charged under terrorism laws. He is being accused of insighting violence and for recruiting people to become 'martyrs' to be trained by Al Quaeda. Richard Reed (the shoe bomber) was one of his recruits!
Hamza was arrested because he is being charged under terrorism laws. He is being accused of insighting violence and for recruiting people to become 'martyrs' to be trained by Al Quaeda. Richard Reed (the shoe bomber) was one of his recruits!
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by brother » Thu Mar 17, 2005 1:20 pm
Yet they have not proved it and he sits in jail at the tax payers expense etc.
All i am trying to say is all countries have sensitivities and accordingly use the laws as need be, a friend of mine went to the states recently(he is english) on arrival he was arrested because he looked like someone who had spoken against the u.s goverment, they held him for two days then sent him home, where was his freedom of speech and then i remind you of my previous statement concerning the royal family, do a search on it.
All i am trying to say is all countries have sensitivities and accordingly use the laws as need be, a friend of mine went to the states recently(he is english) on arrival he was arrested because he looked like someone who had spoken against the u.s goverment, they held him for two days then sent him home, where was his freedom of speech and then i remind you of my previous statement concerning the royal family, do a search on it.
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by -mikkie2- » Fri Mar 18, 2005 2:13 am
From the BBC
Turkey journalists march over law
Protesters say the new law could mean more journalists are jailed
More than 150 Turkish journalists have taken part in a protest against a new penal code which they say could threaten freedom of the press.
The marchers - some in handcuffs and gags - marched to Istanbul's main court to highlight fears the law may lead to more arbitrary arrests of journalists.
They called for a delay in introducing the code, due to apply from 1 April.
Passed as part of Turkey's bid to start EU entry talks, the law won praise in Europe for its human rights reforms.
However, the protesters argue the new code contains vague wording which could make it easier for Turkish authorities to crack down on the media.
It may result in "many arbitrary prosecutions... and pack prisons with journalists", press groups said in a letter to Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan on Wednesday.
They appealed for him to suspend the code's introduction for at least six months, so 20 articles dealing with the press could be amended.
Orhan Erinc, president of the Turkish Journalists' Association, warned the law would restrict both "freedom of speech and the right to report", Turkish news agency Anatolia reports.
"We had relayed our views to the prime minister but they were not really taken into account," Mr Erinc said outside court on Thursday. "We want this law to be changed."
Mr Erinc said the new penal code also reintroduces prison sentences instead of fines for offences such as publishing material deemed obscene.
Cartoonist sued
Jail terms for journalists had been removed from Turkey's press law in reforms last year - but dozens of dissident writers and academics have been jailed in the past.
Although Mr Erdogan's government has pressed forward with human rights reforms, concerns remain over press freedom.
The prime minister was criticised last month for suing a political cartoonist who made fun of him.
Fehmi Koru, a columnist for the Turkish pro-Islamist daily Yeni Safak, told the BBC News website the 20 articles added to the new penal code were a serious setback for press freedom.
"This government, when it was first set up, claimed it would introduce new press laws which would be much more freedom-loving," he said.
"We are trying to urge the government to change these articles in accordance with their promises when they came to power, that our press would be more free."
Turkey journalists march over law
Protesters say the new law could mean more journalists are jailed
More than 150 Turkish journalists have taken part in a protest against a new penal code which they say could threaten freedom of the press.
The marchers - some in handcuffs and gags - marched to Istanbul's main court to highlight fears the law may lead to more arbitrary arrests of journalists.
They called for a delay in introducing the code, due to apply from 1 April.
Passed as part of Turkey's bid to start EU entry talks, the law won praise in Europe for its human rights reforms.
However, the protesters argue the new code contains vague wording which could make it easier for Turkish authorities to crack down on the media.
It may result in "many arbitrary prosecutions... and pack prisons with journalists", press groups said in a letter to Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan on Wednesday.
They appealed for him to suspend the code's introduction for at least six months, so 20 articles dealing with the press could be amended.
Orhan Erinc, president of the Turkish Journalists' Association, warned the law would restrict both "freedom of speech and the right to report", Turkish news agency Anatolia reports.
"We had relayed our views to the prime minister but they were not really taken into account," Mr Erinc said outside court on Thursday. "We want this law to be changed."
Mr Erinc said the new penal code also reintroduces prison sentences instead of fines for offences such as publishing material deemed obscene.
Cartoonist sued
Jail terms for journalists had been removed from Turkey's press law in reforms last year - but dozens of dissident writers and academics have been jailed in the past.
Although Mr Erdogan's government has pressed forward with human rights reforms, concerns remain over press freedom.
The prime minister was criticised last month for suing a political cartoonist who made fun of him.
Fehmi Koru, a columnist for the Turkish pro-Islamist daily Yeni Safak, told the BBC News website the 20 articles added to the new penal code were a serious setback for press freedom.
"This government, when it was first set up, claimed it would introduce new press laws which would be much more freedom-loving," he said.
"We are trying to urge the government to change these articles in accordance with their promises when they came to power, that our press would be more free."
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by Fadix » Sat Mar 19, 2005 7:09 pm
brother wrote:If in the u.k a journalist publishes an article that supports a terrorist organisation that is against the national interest, say like al-qeada or the like, what would happen to that journalist?
Are you comparing a historical accurance with a terrorist organization?
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