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[Viewpoint]

-mikkie2-
[/quote]Any sensible person would sit down and discuss the many issues but your side has so many 'red lines' that it makes negotiating almost impossible. Personally I would not trust you as far as I could throw you! So I guess we can say the same thing of you.
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Didnt we do that during that prior to the Annan plan which you rejected??? It all comes down to trust mikkie, you dont trust me and I dont trust you so how do u expect us to agree a solution that would allow 2 communities that do not trust each other to live together, we would constantly be looking over our shoulders thats not a healthy way to live ones life. Its like asking for the impossible and the only people we are kidding is ourselves.

[-mikkie2-]

Viewpoint,

The Annan plan was pretty much the product of the policies of Denktas (a hardliner) and Clerides (a soft touch). The Annan plan needs to be put into that context. Denktas is now history and so is Clerides. We have Talat and Papadopoulos which need to be given a chance to negotiate properly. So far that has not happened. Only when that does will we know where we all stand.

[boulio]

talat will most likely be another denktash or whoever they put in the post of pres. or pm,the descions are made in ankara.

[MicAtCyp]

Why dont you just stop and think why these people dont trust us, please ask yourself this question and try and answer it.

Will you ever answer me who those people are? Like I told you we have the same sort among the GCs as well. When you find one of them, you discuss the matterwith him/her directly.It's your distorted brain Vs theirs. Don't mess me up with it, cause I cannot understand any of you.

The 30% quota for TC government employees.Would it be too painful for you to agree on 18% as per your population? I don't think so

This is a very good example of why I cannot trust Greek Cypriots to treat me fairly and honestly

What is fair and honest for you?To get 30% of the Government jobs and 40% in the army when your population is only 18%?

I wouldnt even buy a car off you let alone share an island.

I don't need clients like you.
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The pressure imposed upon two parties to compromise was the same.

Oh really? Give me a free Mercedes and then apply equal pressure to me and the other guy who will pay both his Mercedes and mine. Guess who will accept and who will react.

One of the very well known GC who don't want "political equality" of two communities, is you.

First of all set your terminology right. Political equality and sharing the political power are two different terms. The first is absolute the second is partly proprtional and partly absolute.When we talk about two groups of 18-82% we have Sharing of Political power not a Political equality.

You, me, Erol, and Piratis discussed this matter in depth and me and Erol agreed in everything.
Refresh your memory here:
http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.p ... 6&start=50

If in the meantime you invented a new theory or you adopted Denktashes theories let me hear it.Nothing will suprise me.

Hahahaha!

We well know for what you have exerted in last 30 years and ever.

1- Nullification of treaty of guarantee and treaty of alliance.
2- Degrading TCs into a minority status and being the sole ruler of Cyprus behind the mask "self-determination" right of Cypriots(As if ever has existed one)

Now you call it as "fair reunification" and you claim that you wasted your 30 years for reunification of Cyprus. Pohhh!

Thank you for proving me you know nothing for those 30 years.

We are aware of everything. The kick of blue boots(Fascist oppressions of GC ruling elite and economic sanctions) has always been the most painful one that led many TCs to abandon Cyprus. We cried and put our reaction to the red boots as well. Massive TC demonstrations is the best proof of this. I and vast majority of TCs have always harshly critisized the social and economical wrong policies of Denktash and Eroglu.

At last a sensible statement!The fact is however that every time I see you crying you tell me it's because a blue boot kicked your ass. Next time remember to cry for the red kick also.

Anyway, your one more dream has ended up with disappointment. You have always dreamt that as a consequence of inhumane embargos being imposed upon us we will hate Turkish army, revolt against them and help you to nullify the treaty of guarantee and treaty of alliance.

No way Greco no way! Keep preapring your disgusting schemes for your dreams! Instead of making TCs to hate Turkish army, you'll shoot yourself in the end. Today more TCs are aware of the essentials of the cyprus problem and the disgusting schemes Hellene's trying to play.

Much to my suprise, this Turkcu recently revealed us he is an admirer and a solicitor of the fascist Turkish army. Love it as much as you want, stand Atteee-ntion to it for eternity if you like. I ve seen many robots like you. As long as the Americans feed it, people like you will shiver at its parades, because that is the only illussion you got left to gain nationalistic satisfaction.

Regarding your very complex dreams, consisting of conspiracies, Hellenes,disgusting schemes, inhuman embargoes on our stolen properties et al, to which there is no end, I admit complete incompetence.

[Viewpoint]

MicAtCyp

Viewpoint wrote:
Why dont you just stop and think why these people dont trust us, please ask yourself this question and try and answer it.

MicAtCyp responded
Will you ever answer me who those people are? Like I told you we have the same sort among the GCs as well. When you find one of them, you discuss the matterwith him/her directly.It's your distorted brain Vs theirs. Don't mess me up with it, cause I cannot understand any of you.

Just answer the question, why do you avoid it???is it that difficult and soul searching, try for a change to be more open and not be to defensive that you choke on your own narrow vision.

PS Those people are TCs who live in the TRNC, there are many who do not trust GC intentions.

[Realist]

I'd like to know what GC 'intentions' many TC don't trust?

At the end of the day enough TC trust the RoC for their Hospital care, Pensions, Electricity, and employment. I think alot of TC recognise there are no hidden agendas because lets be honest RoC = 770 000+ popullation, Turkey = 70 000 000+ popullation. The odds of conflict are somewhat stacked against GC.

GC can't afford to be playing games, half the island is already under occupation, where would GC go if we betrayed any newly build trust.

GC aren't angels, but lets not pretend there's some kind of secret motive to wanting a workable solution.

[erolz]

I'd like to know what GC 'intentions' many TC don't trust?

The basic concern that TC have is that in a united Cyprus without any reacognition or acceptance of some form of political equality of the two communites, a GC numerical majority may do things that are detrimental to the TC community and against their wishes.

At the end of the day enough TC trust the RoC for their Hospital care, Pensions, Electricity, and employment.

'Enough' ? How many is 'enough'. Certainly not a majority of TC I would venture? Otherwise there would be more TC living, working and seeking healthcare and pensions in the south than there are in the North - and there are not (as far I as know).

I think alot of TC recognise there are no hidden agendas because lets be honest RoC = 770 000+ popullation, Turkey = 70 000 000+ popullation. The odds of conflict are somewhat stacked against GC.

If history had tought us that if the GC community tried to do unacceptable things to the TC community - they would be stopped because of Turkey then maybe I could accept your point. For me what history has tought us is that it took 11 years of TC suffering before Turkey was able to protect us from GC desires and agression - and after that it took 30+ more years of suffering of both GC and TC with still no end in sight. The odds were stacked against GC in the period 63-74 yet that did not prevent the suffering of TC in that period.

GC can't afford to be playing games, half the island is already under occupation, where would GC go if we betrayed any newly build trust.

Half?

It seesm to me that your argument is 'we betrayed trust in the past - so obviously we can not afford to do it in the future'? If this is the nub of your point here then I am sorry but if someone betrays my trust once then I am more inclined to fear it happening again in the future - not less inclined.

GC aren't angels, but lets not pretend there's some kind of secret motive to wanting a workable solution.

There are undoubtedly (imo) some GC that believe Cyprus is Greek. That it's future should be effectively controlled by GC alone. That there is no requirment or need for GC to have to consider the will and desires of the TC community - that shares Cyrpus with them. They can and do express this desire (for a Cyprus politically controlled by GC without any let or hinderance or reagrd for the TC community desires) as being a desire for a 'workable solution' or a 'democratic solution' or a solution that respects human rights or a 'normal solution' or any number of other expressions. However I have little doubt that for some GC the real objective is the same objective that they had in the 50's - namely for a Cyprus under sole effective control of GC where GC desires can not be blocked or hindered by TC regardless of how unacceptable or disaterous those desires may be for the TC community. The expressions they use are just a means to an end for these GC. The end is the true desire. There are also undoubtedly GC for whom these expressions are not a means to an end but genuine sincere desires. Imo both 'types' exist and a full spectrum between these extremes as well no doubt.

[Viewpoint]

erolz, well said my friend.

[turkcyp]

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[Piratis]

I asked this in another thread, but I will ask it again. Since you people don't like "majority rule", how about partition, with an 18% of GCs returning to their homes in the "TC country" and get as a "numerically less" community, what you ask for in a "united" Cyprus?

This way we get the "majority rule" that we want, and you avoid the "majority rule" that you dislike, and everybody is happy.