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[insan]

We are not talking for an agreement imposed by third parties, that will favour terribly one side on the expense of the other, and certainly we are not talking for an agreement under blackmail. Have you seen an agreement signed under blackmail ever honoured?

Hahahaha! Yeah we all know that any agreements that prohibits your "right" to Enosis and "self-determination"("majority rule") would be described as "imposed" agreement.

Despite of that the 1960 agreements are valid until today and it is your side that does not want them. Be my guest. Come back to the RoC and demand your full rights.So that we can also demand our own.

Turkish side wasted 7 valuable years, with its wholeheart to ammend the 60s constitution. Result? While Makarios and his crew was insisting "majority rule", Enosists were preparing the ground coup and make Enosis a fait a'compli.

[turkcyp]

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[Viewpoint]

MicAtCyp

Oh come on Viewpoint... you are the Prince of partition in this forum and you are asking me why? Ask yourself. In fact I never saw a post of yours talking on anything else other than partition and partition and damn partition again.

You avoided the question, why do you think we want partition? nothing to do with the land, we dont trust your intentions and we dont feel you are genuine, from all the arguements and pig headedness on this forum it only goes to prove that we will not agree on a comprehensive solution so therefore we have to consider partition as a very strong alternative to reaching a final solution.

[insan]

Among all this partition talk what really bothered me was your sentences about “Have you seen an agreement signed under blackmail ever honoured?”. And I would like to ask for clarification.

I know that you GCs believe that you guys did not sign 1960 agreements full heartedly, and you believe you signed it under black-mail. That is crystal clear.

turkcyp, do you know the story of how GC ruling elite embraced those "imposed" agreements after kicking TCs out of RoC?

[MicAtCyp]

Hahahaha! Yeah we all know that any agreements that
prohibits your "right" to Enosis and
"self-determination"("majority rule") would be described
as "imposed" agreement.

Was it the result of free will negotiations yes or no? When you come to the point to understand how you were used, and for what reason, maybe we can talk sensibly.

Turkish side wasted 7 valuable years, with its
wholeheart to ammend the 60s constitution. Result? While
Makarios and his crew was insisting "majority rule",
Enosists were preparing the ground coup and make Enosis
a fait a'compli.

Try again! We lost 30 years and we are stil trying..

turkcyp, do you know the story of how GC ruling elite
embraced those "imposed" agreements after kicking TCs
out of RoC?

You are so naive you never realised how many different types of boots were kicking you out then. Ask Denktash to tell you.Ask your own ruling elite to explain you why.But of course you only learned to cry for the kicks of the blue boots. You cannot even see the red boots kicking you until today to abandon Cyprus.

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Turkcyp,

I think I answered your question many times.The problem the GCs had then was that it was depriving them their Enosis dream. The Enosis dream is dead a long time ago so from that aspect yes in 2005 we like the 1960 agreements better today. You ask if this is going to last for 2-3 years. My opinion is today everybody cares about his home and his family and about how much money he pays for taxes. We have seen them all, we know them all.There will be no more suprises for us even if the TCs are in the Government.

To be honest with you assuming there will be demilitarisation there is only one problem with the 1960 constitution. The 30% quota for TC government employees.Would it be too painful for you to agree on 18% as per your population? I don't think so.

The fact is that the GCs (especially the capitalists) started questioning the Enosis dream very shortly after 1960. Basically because they started realising what we would become a poor district of an already poor Country.Unfortunately however the nationalists were prevailing. It is not surprising to me that after the death of our nationalism in 1974 the Enosis idea fainted completely.

So in conclusion yes TODAY it is possible to return to the RoC and get back your priviledges of the 1960 constitution.In the FUTURE you can still return but what you will get is an EU constitution which is superior to the local. So hurry up.


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we dont trust your intentions and we dont feel you are genuine,

First of all you should specify who you represent by saying "We". Because we also have people like you who do not want to see you in front of their eyes. Both you and them make me sick.

[brother]

Micatcyp puts forward a strong arguement and i believe his sincerety for solution, but what the others are saying is that your leadership does not share the same views, now you could argue that its the same on our side and i would find it hard to convince you otherwise but the only thing i can assure you of is with denktas out the picture things will get better not worse, the tc worry at the moment is tassos, as we see him as the biggest obstacle at the moment for solution.

[Viewpoint]

MicAtCyp

First of all you should specify who you represent by saying "We". Because we also have people like you who do not want to see you in front of their eyes. Both you and them make me sick.

Apologies for talking in the plural but you are now picking on words rather than addressing the issue, Why does my statement make you so uncomfortable to the degree of feeling sick? Why dont you just stop and think why these people dont trust us, please ask yourself this question and try and answer it. This maybe the same for greek cypriots as well, I as a TC am not proud of what happened to our communities in the past and wish a peaceful existence for all.

The 30% quota for TC government employees.Would it be too painful for you to agree on 18% as per your population? I don't think so

This is a very good example of why I cannot trust Greek Cypriots to treat me fairly and honestly. You have to win that trust it doesnt come automatically not after our joint past. Do you genuinely feel that if TRUST was gained living together would be such a big problem, the majority of statements made by you just adds to building mistrust between us. I wouldnt even buy a car off you let alone share an island.

[-mikkie2-]

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The 30% quota for TC government employees.Would it be too painful for you to agree on 18% as per your population? I don't think so


This is a very good example of why I cannot trust Greek Cypriots to treat me fairly and honestly. You have to win that trust it doesnt come automatically not after our joint past. Do you genuinely feel that if TRUST was gained living together would be such a big problem, the majority of statements made by you just adds to building mistrust between us. I wouldnt even buy a car off you let alone share an island.

So basically you don't want to give up any of the privaleges that were given to you in 1960! Did you know that despite all the efforts of the government of the time to fill these 30% of TC posts they could not do it because there were not enough qualified TC's to fill them?

It is eminently reasonable for 18% of the population to have 18% of the posts in the government. In fact this was accepted by the Turkish side. What was at issue was the amount of autonomy the municipalities had over the government. The Greek Cypriots did not want the municipalities to be superior to the government whereas you did. However, as this is such a big sticking point this can be achieved by modyfying the RoC to evolve into a federal structure to accomodate the need for TC's to handle their own affairs.

Any sensible person would sit down and discuss the many issues but your side has so many 'red lines' that it makes negotiating almost impossible. Personally I would not trust you as far as I could throw you! So I guess we can say the same thing of you.

[insan]

Hahahaha! Yeah we all know that any agreements that
prohibits your "right" to Enosis and
"self-determination"("majority rule") would be described
as "imposed" agreement.

MicAtCyp wrote:

Was it the result of free will negotiations yes or no? When you come to the point to understand how you were used, and for what reason, maybe we can talk sensibly.

The then circumstances was same for all parties. The pressure imposed upon two parties to compromise was the same. The fact is that your demand Enosis and "self-determination" right of Cypriot people (as if ever has existed one) aka "majority rule" were impossible to be satisfied demands. What would the third parties do?They would wait for you to agree upon "political equality" of two communities. Hellenic Ruling elite have never digested the "political equality" of two communities even still today. One of the very well known GC who don't want "political equality" of two communities, is you.

Turkish side wasted 7 valuable years, with its
wholeheart to ammend the 60s constitution. Result? While
Makarios and his crew was insisting "majority rule",
Enosists were preparing the ground coup and make Enosis
a fait a'compli.

MicAtCyp wrote:

Try again! We lost 30 years and we are stil trying..

Hahahaha!

We well know for what you have exerted in last 30 years and ever.

1- Nullification of treaty of guarantee and treaty of alliance.
2- Degrading TCs into a minority status and being the sole ruler of Cyprus behind the mask "self-determination" right of Cypriots(As if ever has existed one)

Now you call it as "fair reunification" and you claim that you wasted your 30 years for reunification of Cyprus. Pohhh!

turkcyp, do you know the story of how GC ruling elite
embraced those "imposed" agreements after kicking TCs
out of RoC?

MicAtCyp wrote:

You are so naive you never realised how many different types of boots were kicking you out then. Ask Denktash to tell you.Ask your own ruling elite to explain you why.But of course you only learned to cry for the kicks of the blue boots. You cannot even see the red boots kicking you until today to abandon Cyprus.

Hahahaha! You confuse the then left wing - right wing strife within each community with the inter communal strife which arised form Enosis and "majority rule".

We are aware of everything. The kick of blue boots(Fascist oppressions of GC ruling elite and economic sanctions) has always been the most painful one that led many TCs to abandon Cyprus. We cried and put our reaction to the red boots as well. Massive TC demonstrations is the best proof of this. I and vast majority of TCs have always harshly critisized the wrong social and economical policies of Denktash and Eroglu.

Anyway, your one more dream has ended up with disappointment. You have always dreamt that as a consequence of inhumane embargos being imposed upon us we will hate Turkish army, revolt against them and help you to nullify the treaty of guarantee and treaty of alliance.

No way Greco no way! Keep preapring your disgusting schemes for your dreams! Instead of making TCs to hate Turkish army, you'll shoot yourself in the end. Today more TCs are aware of the essentials of the cyprus problem and the disgusting schemes Hellene's trying to put in practice.


Now some questiones to you:

It is a well known fact that despite the GC south is a defacto recognized "state" the corruption rate per capita is mcuh higher than most of the other countries.

If the GC south has been the one under embargos in last 40 years, what would have been the demographic structure of South, today? What would have been the political and democratic structure of South, today?

[brother]

mikkie said:

" Personally I would not trust you as far as I could throw you! So I guess we can say the same thing of you."



nice one mikkie, so does that last statement of trust encompass the whole tc community?