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[Get Real!]

Cyprus has a future only as a multicultural, multi ethnic country. Nationalists will never get their way again. They have caused enough damage.

You're confusing the different TYPES of nationalists...

The Greek Cypriots of the past who wanted to unite Cyprus with Greece were Greek nationalists.

The Turkish Cypriots today who want to unite Cyprus with Turkey are Turkish nationalists.

And finally, people like myself who desire to preserve the contiguousness, constitution, and sovereignty of Cyprus are CYPRIOT NATIONALISTS.

Now choose life...

[cymart]

The people in Greece who wanted Cyprus to be united with it generally did not exist,except for a few nut cases like Grivas!And the G.C. people in Cyprus who knew that the Cypriots already had a far better living standard than the Greeks didn't want to unite with Greece either,but most of them were to scared to say so or left the island etc!

[Get Real!]

The people in Greece who wanted Cyprus to be united with it generally did not exist,except for a few nut cases like Grivas!And the G.C. people in Cyprus who knew that the Cypriots already had a far better living standard than the Greeks didn't want to unite with Greece either,but most of them were to scared to say so or left the island etc!

What on earth are you mumbling here? Grivas was Cypriot, not a "person of Greece"!

[phoenix]

Is it possible that Grivas was not for ENOSIS . . . but he was just doing his job as a paid Greek general? He may have kept the coup at bay until he died, and then Greece attacked?

How about that as a possibility?

[denizaksulu]

"Turkey has stolen our TCs . . . ." said Phoenix,

Well, that is exactly what happened, and we did not have enough brains at the time it was happening to realise what the theft would mean for us. Actually at the time Greece was trying to steal us. Now we know the effects of this double sided stealing. The idea was a double union but it went wrong along the way, most likely the Turks double crossed the Greeks in a proxy war in Cyprus.

. . . or the Turks were allowed to fulfill their ambitions to the end . . . whereas Greece was thwarted by the brave GCs that fought against the coupists.

If only the TCs were brave enough or loyal enough to Cyprus to have done the same to Turkey . . . none of us would be in this mess.

Bad memories or should I say short memores. If it was not for the action of the Turkish army, are you suggesting the GCs would have thwarted the action of the Junta? You are mad as well as a joker.

[phoenix]

"Turkey has stolen our TCs . . . ." said Phoenix,

Well, that is exactly what happened, and we did not have enough brains at the time it was happening to realise what the theft would mean for us. Actually at the time Greece was trying to steal us. Now we know the effects of this double sided stealing. The idea was a double union but it went wrong along the way, most likely the Turks double crossed the Greeks in a proxy war in Cyprus.

. . . or the Turks were allowed to fulfill their ambitions to the end . . . whereas Greece was thwarted by the brave GCs that fought against the coupists.

If only the TCs were brave enough or loyal enough to Cyprus to have done the same to Turkey . . . none of us would be in this mess.

Bad memories or should I say short memores. If it was not for the action of the Turkish army, are you suggesting the GCs would have thwarted the action of the Junta? You are mad as well as a joker.

Deniz, we are having a veto against personal criticisms for the weekend!

[denizaksulu]

"Turkey has stolen our TCs . . . ." said Phoenix,

Well, that is exactly what happened, and we did not have enough brains at the time it was happening to realise what the theft would mean for us. Actually at the time Greece was trying to steal us. Now we know the effects of this double sided stealing. The idea was a double union but it went wrong along the way, most likely the Turks double crossed the Greeks in a proxy war in Cyprus.

. . . or the Turks were allowed to fulfill their ambitions to the end . . . whereas Greece was thwarted by the brave GCs that fought against the coupists.

If only the TCs were brave enough or loyal enough to Cyprus to have done the same to Turkey . . . none of us would be in this mess.

Bad memories or should I say short memores. If it was not for the action of the Turkish army, are you suggesting the GCs would have thwarted the action of the Junta? You are mad as well as a joker.

Deniz, we are having a veto against personal criticisms for the weekend!

you = plural twhmc

[cymart]

Many Greek-Cypriots who were here between the 15th and the 20th of July 1974 will tell you that they were days of fear and terror when you felt afraid even of your neighbours.....

[repulsewarrior]

Cyprus has a future only as a multicultural, multi ethnic country. Nationalists will never get their way again. They have caused enough damage.

You're confusing the different TYPES of nationalists...

The Greek Cypriots of the past who wanted to unite Cyprus with Greece were Greek nationalists.

The Turkish Cypriots today who want to unite Cyprus with Turkey are Turkish nationalists.

And finally, people like myself who desire to preserve the contiguousness, constitution, and sovereignty of Cyprus are CYPRIOT NATIONALISTS.

Now choose life...

here here!, get_real.

that is why I stand so firm with my conviction, three governments (bicommunal):

a Constitution which can sustain the ideals of two National Assemblies ( each sustaining a majority first, having a responsibility toward recognising the needs of their respective minority( s,)) and the State, which is sovereign in their defence, each and every citizen, as this island's dwellers, as equals, and as individuals, their representative as a body of peoples united in the cause of their betterment, as Human beings.

[repulsewarrior]

I do not believe the Greeks would have done a deal to accept only half the Island.

I think Greece wanted the WHOLE island because historically they believed it should rightfully be part of Greece.
Turkey of course could only get away with less than half the island . . . if it went for the whole island they would have then met disapproval from the Brits and Americans.

It seems really strange and out of character for Greece to decide to do a deal with Turkey to split their "assets" . . .

i believe that this is the deal worked out exactly, by these players, that makarios thwarted with the Treaty of Zurich.