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[Nikitas]

Cymart,

It is understood that negotiation will involve some give and take. But having accepted a Federal Bizonal Biregional solution since 1977 how much more can the GC side concede?

I agree that Pap is not the best. If one of the other candidates is elected what could he concede to get to a solution? Accept the presence of settlers as citizens? Grant 100 per cent of the TC demands immediately and wait 15 years for our "gains"? Accept the existence of a common "border" between the Dekhelia base and the TC state effectively cutting the GC state in two? Shoulder the total cost of a solution by taxing the GC community and only them?

It is easy for the candidates that do not have to do these things to promise and criticise. Objectively I dont see any of them doing any of these things if elected and not facing a popular revolt by the public who will know whether the present non solution is better than these unnecessary concessions.

[cymart]

Nobody on either side really expects that there will be a solution unless Turkey agrees to drastically reduce its forces according to a given timetable and there are effective international guarantees to ensure they keep to the agreement on all aspects.I cannot see any grounds for them objecting to this either but we have to consider that the military in Ankara have a lot of power and influence over what happens in Cyprus and will not make serious concessions unless they are gaining in another way which can only be E.U. membership.Erdogan has to convince them about this and it would help a lot if the Greek-Cypriot politicians tried to make his job easier by using some long-term foresight and displaying a constructive attitude towards a solution here and not trying to play political games of brinkmanship and bravado, as Papad. has been doing for a long time!A good start would be this Ledra street saga-let's just open the bloody barrier and to hell with pre-conditions etc!Since 2003,people have been going backwards and forwards at other points without any problem so it just seems petty and stupid to keep demanding specific things like demilitarisation etc first!Unless of course Papad. does not really want Ledra St. to open and by raising conditions which he knows the other side will not agree to at present,he makes them look like the culprits and not himself!He has used these kind of tactics before so it would not surprise me!

[Get Real!]

Cyprus was committed to working for a solution while Ankara claimed that the problem was solved in 1974. Furthermore, Turkey threatened that if Cyprus becomes a member of EU the response of Ankara would be without bounds.....

What are you mumbling about like a woman Bananiot… can’t you see it’s all about having the biggest stick?

Here’s a multiple choice question for you…

Q. If the RoC had a couple of nuclear warheads and launch pads and issued an ultimatum to Turkey to evacuate Cyprus within a week or get toasted, how FAST would the Turkish military FLY out of Cyprus?

a) 50Kp/h
b) 70Kp/h
c) 100Kp/h
d) Mach 2

Put away your calculator Bananiot because the correct answer is “d”.

Everything else is just time-wasting drivel so quit wasting your time wondering where the problem lies and blaming TP.

[Bananiot]

I cannot understand your logic GR. You now appear ready to resign to your fate because Turkey is the owner of the bigger stick. I suppose this is what Piratis has been telling all along, that is, stay low until our stick becomes bigger than theirs. This is totally unpolitical, total nonsense.

Nikitas asked me about the notion of "political equality of the two communities". For a start, this has been agreed by both Makarios and Kyprianou with Denktash and it is an important aspect of both of those cornerstone summit agreements. By this it is meant that both communities have absolutely equal rights (and responsibilities) in a bizonal, federal Cyprus. Our community will not have more rights because of our numerical superiority. We need to reiterate this in order to win over the peace loving, solution seeking Turkish Cypriots. Papadopoulos and his supporters talk about equality of the individual people but this is something entirely different and it will never be accepted by the other side. This is one of the reasons our policies do not touch the international community any more and we have been warned that it would be very detrimental to our cause if we go back on what we agreed.

[Bananiot]

Cymart, your posts are excellent. Keep it up.

[phoenix]

Cymart, your posts are excellent. Keep it up.

Teacher's Pet !

[Kifeas]

Nobody on either side really expects that there will be a solution unless Turkey agrees to drastically reduce its forces according to a given timetable and there are effective international guarantees to ensure they keep to the agreement on all aspects.I cannot see any grounds for them objecting to this either but we have to consider that the military in Ankara have a lot of power and influence over what happens in Cyprus and will not make serious concessions unless they are gaining in another way which can only be E.U. membership.Erdogan has to convince them about this and it would help a lot if the Greek-Cypriot politicians tried to make his job easier by using some long-term foresight and displaying a constructive attitude towards a solution here and not trying to play political games of brinkmanship and bravado, as Papad. has been doing for a long time!A good start would be this Ledra street saga-let's just open the bloody barrier and to hell with pre-conditions etc!Since 2003,people have been going backwards and forwards at other points without any problem so it just seems petty and stupid to keep demanding specific things like demilitarisation etc first!Unless of course Papad. does not really want Ledra St. to open and by raising conditions which he knows the other side will not agree to at present,he makes them look like the culprits and not himself!He has used these kind of tactics before so it would not surprise me!

I beg you pardon but, where did you see Papadopoulos playing "political games of brinkmanship and bravado?" Is it the demand for the buffer zone to be in the control of the UN, without the presence of Turkish troops in the surrounding area through which civilians will be passing, a "political game of brinkmanship and bravado?" Is this what you regard as "brinkmanship and bravado?" And what do you regard as "sensible" behavior, for this matter? When somebody bends down and forward, and provides the Vaseline as well? And who do you suggest we elect as our president from the other two candidates, to be the "sensible” one? Kasoulides, or Christofias?

Sorry Cymart, but unless you establish -with concrete evidence, your aphoristic slogans towards Papadopoulos, in my book you are just another nonsense talking parrot, no matter how many Bananiots will be helping out as your cheerleaders! Cymart, the GC society is not a society of submissive eunuchs, like Bananiot wants us to become of! Piss off!

[Bananiot]

Ledra should open, under exactly the same conditions as the rest of the crossings. As simple as this.

Take no notice of Kifeas, cymart. His bark is more dangerous than his bite. Yiorgatzis would have been real proud of him.

[Get Real!]

I cannot understand your logic GR. You now appear ready to resign to your fate because Turkey is the owner of the bigger stick. I suppose this is what Piratis has been telling all along, that is, stay low until our stick becomes bigger than theirs. This is totally unpolitical, total nonsense.

My logic is very simple Bananiot…

The ROOT of the Cyprus problem is an aggressive neighbor constantly interfering in the affairs of sovereign Cyprus and in violation of international law and certainly NOT what TP said or did or anyone else for that matter.

1. The UN has condemned Turkey of her invasion/occupation and subsequent creation of puppet state on Cyprus via numerous resolutions so JUSTICE is on the side of the RoC.

2. The fact that the international community has not been motivated enough to jointly force Turkey out of Cyprus and restore order to all four corners of Cyprus DOES NOT undermine the fact that JUSTICE is on the side of the RoC.

3. Cyprus is under no obligation to hand out any portion of her territory to anybody and the Turkish Cypriot people are UNDER OBLIGATION to abide by RoC law in accordance with the constitution.

4. If the international community is unwilling to ENFORCE international law, as they did against Iraq (invasion of Kuwait), then the RoC has every right to take matters into her own hands if and when she is able to.

End of story.

[Viewpoint]

Cymart and Bananiot, thank god for GCs like you despite the fact that you must be a minority I would welcome you guys as my neightbour anyday and trust you 100%, you show intelligence and understanding way way beyond the GCs who post on this forum, I only wish they were more like of you, it would make solving the Cyprus problem a walk in the park.