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JOINT EFFORTS TO LIFT THE ISOLATION ON NORTH CYPRUS

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Postby halil » Tue Nov 20, 2007 1:46 pm

By the way Azerbaijan, Turkey , Greece are doing nice business.

Cry nationalist man cry.

EUROPE TO START BUYING AZERI GAS VIA TURKEY BYPASSING RUSSIA

Monday, November 18, leaders from Greece, Turkey, the United States, Azerbaijan, Georgia, and Italy will officially launch a new Turkey-Greece pipeline project along the Maritza River. The 300-kilometer-long natural gas pipeline will carry Azerbaijani gas to Europe, bypassing Russia. According to Turkish Energy Ministry officials, this will be the first time Caspian gas will reach Europe without going through Russia.

U.S. Secretary of Energy Samuel Bodman arrived in Istanbul today, November 15, for a conference with Turkish Energy Minister Hilmi Guler. Bodman is also expected to attend Monday’s ceremony.

Azerbaijani gas will flow to Europe through this Southern Caspian corridor thanks to Turkish cooperation. The achievement will send a message to the Caspian states that they do not need to solely depend on Russia either in exporting their hydrocarbon resources to Europe or in meeting their energy needs, said Ankara-based Western energy analysts.

Construction of the Turkish-Greek pipeline, dubbed the “South European Gas Ring Project,” was launched in July 2005, and will eventually extend to Italy via a pipeline to be constructed under the Adriatic Sea, according to an intergovernmental agreement signed on July 26, 2007, among Greece, Italy, and Turkey. Construction of that section should start next year and be completed in 2012. The European Union is helping finance the €130 million Turkey-Greek project.

Gas from Azerbaijan’s Shah Deniz field started flowing into the new pipeline last month. Eventually the pipeline should handle 700,000 cubic meters of gas per day, or 250 million cubic meters (mcm) per year.

“This is currently a symbolic amount of gas that will increase in the coming years. Although the amount is symbolic, it is important in developing relations between the two NATO allies [Greece and Turkey are still at odds over the sovereignty rights in the Aegean Sea] as well as an important step in opening a new [non-Russian] corridor to Europe,” said an Energy Ministry official (NTV, November 12).

Azerbaijan plans to ship around 12 billion cubic meters (bcm) of gas per year, first to Greece and then to Italy. Of that, 3.6 bcm will go to Greece and 8 bcm to Italy, said Turkish Energy Minister Guler when he presented his ministry’s budget to parliament on November 6.

Turkish energy experts believe that Shah Deniz will be able to provide ample gas to supply the Turkish-Greek and Italian pipelines. But despite Guler’s earlier remark that Turkey would buy 15% of the Shah Deniz gas to be transported to Greece, Turkish energy analysts close to the negotiations recently told Jamestown that Azerbaijan has not agreed on a contract that will allow Turkey to take 15% of the gas.

“Azeris fear that Turkey may sell this portion of gas that it seeks to buy to third parties for a higher price, undermining Azerbaijan’s ability to control the gas prices. But in essence, Turkish demand to buy additional gas stems from its real concern about meeting its growing domestic energy needs rather than, at least in the short term, to become a hub to store the extra gas to sell to the third countries,” an Ankara-based Western analyst told Jamestown.

Although Turkey has emphasized its desire to become an East-West energy transit route for carrying Caspian gas and oil to Europe, meeting its growing domestic needs remains its priority concern, said the Turkish Energy Ministry sources. In addition, Turkey does not want to rely on a single country for nearly one-third of its energy needs, especially not Russia and Iran.

The South European Gas Ring Project marks Turkey’s first concrete step toward its goal of becoming not only an energy bridge to the Caspian oil and gas reserves, but also to preempt expected increases in both domestic and international gas demand. Turkey should carry at least 20 bcm of natural gas to Europe in 2010.

In July of this year, Turkey received the first shipment of natural gas via the 1,050-km Erzerum line from the $4 billion Shah-Deniz project under a 15-year deal signed with Azerbaijan in March 2001. Shah-Deniz will supply 1.3-1.4 bcm of gas to Turkey and 0.3-0.4 bcm to Georgia in 2007. The maximum annual exports during the project's first stage will amount to 6.6 bcm to Turkey and 0.8 bcm to Georgia in 2009-2020.

BP has a 25.5% share in the Shah Deniz group alongside Statoil (25.5%), Iran's OIEC (10%), TotalFinaElf (10%), the Russian-Italian joint venture LukAgip (10%), Turkey's TPAO (9%), and Azerbaijan's state oil company SOCAR (10%0.

Turkey, meanwhile, has benefited from the $4 billion Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan (BTC) pipeline to take oil from the Caspian Sea to the Mediterranean, sidestepping major energy producer Russia while also bypassing the Turkish controlled strategic and busy Bosporus and the Dardanelles Straits.
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Postby alexISS » Tue Nov 20, 2007 1:50 pm

So after Turkey failed to convince the Europeans of the existence of an "isolation" that needs to be lifted, they turn to their "cousins" for support... nice
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Postby alexISS » Tue Nov 20, 2007 1:55 pm

halil wrote:By the way Azerbaijan, Turkey , Greece are doing nice business.


Yes they do, and so does the RoC with Greece, France, the rest of the EU and the middle east. And what about the "TRNC" pseudostate? The Turks sign deals and make money while they keep you under isolation so that their militaristic interests are intact... who's the loser in this scenario?
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Postby halil » Tue Nov 20, 2007 3:50 pm

alexISS wrote:
halil wrote:By the way Azerbaijan, Turkey , Greece are doing nice business.


Yes they do, and so does the RoC with Greece, France, the rest of the EU and the middle east. And what about the "TRNC" pseudostate? The Turks sign deals and make money while they keep you under isolation so that their militaristic interests are intact... who's the loser in this scenario?


İt shows to u and some confused ones , how Turkey and Greece is trying to end up the problems between them. They know ,That they have to live in good neighboring relationships.

İt is not the Turkey that keeps us under the isolation. Have a look at the Annan latest reports to UN's.

We are not looser , the time will come to Cyprus as well. We are in right track.

Both sides has got militaristic interest in Cyprus also they are not alone .
EU, USA and UK as well. They will be the key.
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Postby alexISS » Wed Nov 21, 2007 10:56 am

halil wrote:
alexISS wrote:
halil wrote:By the way Azerbaijan, Turkey , Greece are doing nice business.


Yes they do, and so does the RoC with Greece, France, the rest of the EU and the middle east. And what about the "TRNC" pseudostate? The Turks sign deals and make money while they keep you under isolation so that their militaristic interests are intact... who's the loser in this scenario?


İt shows to u and some confused ones , how Turkey and Greece is trying to end up the problems between them. They know ,That they have to live in good neighboring relationships.

İt is not the Turkey that keeps us under the isolation. Have a look at the Annan latest reports to UN's.

We are not looser , the time will come to Cyprus as well. We are in right track.

Both sides has got militaristic interest in Cyprus also they are not alone .
EU, USA and UK as well. They will be the key.


Of course you are the losers, you've always been. It's YOU who are "isolated", alienated from the rest of the world simply because Turkey decided so. Rest assured that, if it was Turkey who was not recognized and not allowed to trade with the rest of the world, they would withdraw their troops in a second. But why should they care, it's YOU and the GCs who pay the price of their illegal occupation of Cyprus, not them
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Postby observer » Wed Nov 21, 2007 12:21 pm

alexiSS - Surely you mean that we are "so-called isolated"!
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Postby alexISS » Wed Nov 21, 2007 1:23 pm

observer wrote:alexiSS - Surely you mean that we are "so-called isolated"!


I mean and say what the whole world has been saying since 74; That the "state" you live in is an illegal entity and thus cannot trade or have normal diplomatic relations with the rest of the world. So, it's not Greece or the RoC that keeps you isolated, it's Turkey who keeps your land under occupation.
Excessive use of the quote key is expected when writing about Turkey and its policies, that's something that should trouble you, not me
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Postby miltiades » Wed Nov 21, 2007 2:18 pm

Piratis wrote:It is about time that the Turks realized that they do not belong in EU or anywhere civilized. I just wonder how the other 3rd world shit holes will help the Turks with their crimes against Cyprus. Trade opium with Azerbaijan maybe? :lol:

You mean the Turkish mainlanders NOT our Cypriot Turks .
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Postby utu » Wed Nov 21, 2007 9:14 pm

observer wrote:alexiSS - Surely you mean that we are "so-called isolated"!



Ouch. One point for observer.
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Postby humanist » Wed Nov 21, 2007 9:47 pm

Cypriots speaking Turkish and currently living in the occupied areas of Cyprus have more rights and access to their country than other Cypriots. They have rights to live where they choose, they have rights to move freely within their country and set up business wherever they choose within Cyprus. What access to their properties do other Cypriots have? What access to their country do other Cypriots have? The isolation faced by any Cypriot living in the occupied areas is one imposed by the inernational community who do not believe that invading a country and occupyingt 1/3 of its territory and erecting munmental flags, are not an acceptable manner of solving conflict. If you can afford to errect flags the sixe of mount everest then you can't be that isolated. You simply choiose to spend your money that way. As you choose to live in an illegal territory,
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