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[alexISS]

And where will Turkey find all this spare water to send to the pseudostate? They don't even have enough for themselves, remember what happened last summer?

I heard that they will decompose and recycle the urine of 70 million people..isnt it smart

I know I sound weird..it was only my imagination, not the truth ..but dont u think it is a good idea to save our planet??

Nah, it wouldn't help a bit. Water is water, no matter how it is used, it's always recycled and never consumed

[halil]

The state called the TRNC only recognized by Turkey...so what? doesnt change the basic fact that we are here alive and kicking, which must make you sick to your stmoache knowing that life goes on as per normal, when your unEuropean viewpoint of keeping us isolated.

NO state exist. If it was a state there was going to be recognised by the whole planet. That a joke ... a bad one!

Lena my dear friend ..... it is not important if we are recognised or not recognised. we have our own system .My be this system has got some problems in its self.But we are happy to rule our self.

Yes still kicking...people out of their homes. And people to prison until they die.

We, The TC's said yes to AP. more than 75000 people were moving from they are second homes may be some of them were be coming third time refuges.Still they said yes .You have seen north with your own eyes .pls tell me how we are living in prison . We can go every where freely. We can sleep in our beds without fear.
yes we have some disturbances . it is normal .every where u can have this kind of the things.


What exactly is normal for you...is it normal to walk outside your house and see army all over? What is normal for you VP??

For me it is not normal to see soldiers all around . İt applies to both sides.
soldiers will return back as soon we find the solution.Always Turkey declares it.AP plan was also indicating how they will go and how they can stationed.There was a time table . İ read it . u can find the last version of it from the net and read it.

What keeps you isolated is Turkey! And yes you are right...they are unEuropeans!! Finally we agree on something!

İ don't think that Turkey causes for isolation on us .
even with basic things ROC government does not start to help.
Like , telecommunications (mobile) between 2 sides.
to play football,
we can see and witness many times specially from this forum.who ever tries to visit north how people are attacking and treating .
every house we are sitting in it belongs them,
every cars that we have are bought by from their stolen properties ..... so ....and so on ....... we had nothing in this island .everything was belonging to GC's ...... İs it true ?

[Bill]

And where will Turkey find all this spare water to send to the pseudostate? They don't even have enough for themselves, remember what happened last summer?

I heard that they will decompose and recycle the urine of 70 million people..isnt it smart

I know I sound weird..it was only my imagination, not the truth ..but dont u think it is a good idea to save our planet??

Well thats what we do in the UK

And we still run short nearly every summer .

Despite the government taking the p*ss out of us at every opportunity.

Bill

Bill

[karma]

And where will Turkey find all this spare water to send to the pseudostate? They don't even have enough for themselves, remember what happened last summer?

I heard that they will decompose and recycle the urine of 70 million people..isnt it smart

I know I sound weird..it was only my imagination, not the truth ..but dont u think it is a good idea to save our planet??

Well thats what we do in the UK

And we still run short nearly every summer .

Despite the government taking the p*ss out of us at every opportunity.

Bill

Bill

oh sorry to hear that, then wouldnt it be a good idea to import urine from India or China (I m having ouzo today)

[Nikitas]

Turkey has (some) water because it dammed the Euphrates and Tigris rivers. The rivers pass through other countries and Turkey has obligations to let the waters flow to these other countries. So it does not have unlimited supplies.

Secondly, giving water to the north Cyprus regime does not solve a problem, it creates a dependence and it only postpones the water crisis for a while.

Third, the concept of sustainability which is the principle the EU adopted in 1992 for economic development and resource management encourages what the RoC is doing- namely wise use, conservation and desalination where applicable.

This idea of bringing water from Turkey has been floating around since 1960, before the problems of 1963. It has be resurfacing since then, sometimes as a lure sometimes as a threat. In the last resort it is better to be a ltitle short of water than to be at the whim and mercy of a nation like Turkey.

Cyprus is not short of water, it is short of proper use and management and is catching up fast.

[Nikitas]

On a lighter note about water and its traditional importance in the Mediterranean region here is an anecdote.

An old Greek American returns to his village to spend his last days. The villagers assume that he is rich, after all he spent 50 years in America where the streets are paved with gold. So they manage to marry him to young Mario and they give her instructions to wear him out. The notary presses him to write his will, the mayor to do so but remember the village, that is badly short of water.

Well, the old guy enjoys life with Mario, but the frequent enjoyment of her charms eventually does him in. The village gathers around and eagerly awaits the reading of the will by the village priest. He unfolds the much awaited paper and reads aloud:

My soul I leave to God
My penis to Mario
To the village my balls I will
So for water they can drill

[CopperLine]

Much of what Nikitas says is right, except for the proposed source of the water for Cypus. The current most likely sources of trans-shipped water is from the Manavgat river basin (closish to Antalya). There had been a proposal to supply through sub-marine pipes, but this was found to be prohibitively expensive and has been superseded by a scheme to tug-tow water in giant 'water bags' - not quite as daft an idea as it might first seem. Still, this is a very expensive way of supplying water, and Nikitas' other comments have force here. Mechanisms for water use reduction, water use efficiency, and water recycling should have priority.

As it happens a new major water main has been constructed/is in the process of being laid from the coast close to Morphou/Guzelyurt to Nicosia and linking with Famagusta. The north, like the south, is acutely aware of the water crisis, but is equally bewildered as to what is to be done. The answer for sure is not to build more golf courses and more mega hotels.

The Morphou/Guzelyurt area - rightly famous for its citrus orchards - is historically the area which has the lowest level of precipitation on the island i.e, it has been the driest. Agriculture depends upon stream-fed watering and aquifers. Since I don't know when ('74, '83, anybody know ?) the rivers/streams feeding that area, coming down from the Troodos, have been dammed. I appreciate the politics of this but all the same it is an ecological disaster, now almost irreversible as the water table has lowered so much that sea-water is contaminating the agricultural lands. The irony is that the Morphou/Guzelyurt area is, of course, one of the areas that under the Annan Plan would have reverted to GC administration. One consequence of the economic/political isolation of the north is that it has resulted in an ecological strangulation as well. Whether the Annan Plan or some wholly different succesor, what will be revert to GC admin is increasingtly likely to be a dead or dying agriculture and nature.

It is not so much that man has defeated man as that man has defeated nature.

The corollary of Nikitas' point about the dangers of dependency - that 'better to be a ltitle short of water than to be at the whim and mercy of a nation like Turkey' - is that if RoC wishes to re-integrate or re-claim the north then rather than isolate maybe it is better to foster new dependencies. Thus, in this example, forestall the Manavgat project by restorin the flow of natural water courses. Just a thought.

[LENA]

Lena my dear friend ..... it is not important if we are recognised or not recognised. we have our own system .My be this system has got some problems in its self.But we are happy to rule our self.

Well Halil...either you want it or not being recognised is important. if it was not important as you say then why TC want to be recognised and they fight for that? As for ruling your selves as you said....i doubt about it. Turkey rules north either you admit it or not. You are trying but is not what really happens.

We, The TC's said yes to AP. more than 75000 people were moving from they are second homes may be some of them were be coming third time refuges.Still they said yes .You have seen north with your own eyes .pls tell me how we are living in prison . We can go every where freely. We can sleep in our beds without fear.
yes we have some disturbances . it is normal .every where u can have this kind of the things.

Halil, I have seen a lot in the north that I do not want to comment. But for sure is not the paradise you want to present. Also what two eyes of a woman can see in couple of visits is not enough to describe what really is happening there.

You can "go" anywhere? Like citizens of Cyprus? You can sleep with no fear? Halil what I have seen from you and what I have seen and heard from other TC is not the same.

Also the problem of your isolation is not if you can travel everywhere north of the island but if everybody else can visit you freely. If you can work and express yourself freely among others from your country.

Freedom is not about going to one area to the other....is a lot more than that.

For me it is not normal to see soldiers all around . İt applies to both sides.
soldiers will return back as soon we find the solution.Always Turkey declares it.AP plan was also indicating how they will go and how they can stationed.There was a time table . İ read it . u can find the last version of it from the net and read it.

Army is the way that Turkey rules. The Turkish army is more powerful than anything else in the country. Soldiers will never go away even with solution. I wished but dont see that happening.


İ don't think that Turkey causes for isolation on us .
even with basic things ROC government does not start to help.
Like , telecommunications (mobile) between 2 sides.
to play football,
we can see and witness many times specially from this forum.who ever tries to visit north how people are attacking and treating .
every house we are sitting in it belongs them,
every cars that we have are bought by from their stolen properties ..... so ....and so on ....... we had nothing in this island .everything was belonging to GC's ...... İs it true ?

RoC can not offer you more than already offers. Our government can not accept the occupation and the illegal "government". By doing the above you mention will be a way of recognition to the "TRNC"

As for the rest you mention you are wrong. Most of the land belong to GC because either you want it or not we are majority in this island. Its simple math. But I do understand your frustration. GC build on TC land etc but doyou deny that TC and Turkish troops build houses, villas, hotels, casinos, universities, and all sort of buildings in GC land?

I could not ask you to stop your lives back in 1974 and not build anything or do anything because it belong to GC...I understand that things had to be done. But do not deny all that. I am sure that yours son's University is built on GC land. I dont know about the rest but for that I am sure from some documents that I came across.

Halil things that i am sure about are: there is no state north, there is no government coming from any "TRNC" that is recognised and Turkey doesnt do much towards a solution (not that our side is much better on that but...).

[utu]

By “their area of the island" I suppose you mean the area of Cyprus which they illegally occupy! If so, why do you choose not to call is as such, and instead you call it "their" area of the island? Can you please enlighten us?

I'm tyrying to find neutral terminology. I don't think you'd like it if I called it 'TRNC', and the T/C members of the forum wouldn't like it if I used the terms 'pseudostate' or 'Turkish military Occupied'. Saying 'the north' or 'their area' seemed okay in this regard.

[Nikitas]

Copperline has hit, as usual, on points that most forum members overlook. This time he touched on the ecological unity of an island as small as Cyprus.

The first dams in the Morphou area were built actually low, in the area itself, one of the biggest being the water reservoir on the Sarafis river near Zodia. This was in the 60s if memory serves and as it happened as soon as it was built there was a seven year drought!

Damming rivers upstream from Morphou obviously affects the water supply downstream. But not that much. Since the 60s and the beginning of intensive citrus cultivations we saw the first signs of rising salinity in the area. No matter how much of the little water is allowed to flow, the area simply cannot sustain the irrigation levels created since the 60s. We are overusing the soil and the water with citrus which was not traditionally the main crop of the area.

Our family originates from the Morphou area and I recall from my visits as a child that the major agriculture was a mix of wheat, garden produce and some oranges. In the early 60s nearly all fields were turned into orange groves destined for export.

As Copperline notes, golf courses drink up a LOT of water, in Cyprus they have to be watered constantly. In addition we have our ever popular and friendly tourists who consume tons of water for their showers etc. A recent study found that even ecologically minded people waste water and electricity when they visit hotels.

But no matter what we do, water in Cyprus will always be in short supply. Even if it is shipped in from wherever, it will be scarce and/or expensive. We need new ways to tackle this problem on a local level. Regardless of problems or otherwise with Turkey, it is a bad idea to depend on a vital resource on other nations. The recent disruption of Ukraine's and Europe's gas supplies are an example for us. The idea that shipping in water will eradicate the problem is erroneous, if anything it will increase it.