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The Flags of the Pentadaktylos, WHY?

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Postby utu » Mon Nov 19, 2007 10:43 pm

humanist wrote:I vote for Quebec's independence.



And why do you say that: is it because you believe in Quebec's sovereignty, or is it just a knee-jerk reaction at my presence on this forum?
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Postby humanist » Mon Nov 19, 2007 10:46 pm

I do believe in Quebec's independence,
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Postby Nikephoros » Mon Nov 19, 2007 10:54 pm

http://www.xs4all.nl/~tank/kurdish/htdo ... emal1.html
Yasar Kemal wrote:The sole reason for this war is that cancer of humanity, racism. If this were not so, would it be possible for right- wing, racist magazines and newspapers to declare that `The Turkish race is superior to every other'? The brother of this statement is `Happy is he who calls himself a Turk'. I first went to eastern Anatolia in 1951, and saw that on the mountain sides everywhere they had written in enormous letters visible from a distance of three, five and ten kilometres, `Happy is he who calls himself a Turk'. They had embellished the slopes of Mount Ararat, too. The entire mountain had become happy to be Turkish. And worse even, they made the children declare: `I am a Turk, I am honest, I am hard-working', every morning.


What kind of fascist people must disfigure numerous mountains to subject themselves and other nations with their ultra-nationalism?

99.8 % SUNNI MUSLIM TURKS

The official Kemalist ideology will not even spare the mountains.
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Postby utu » Mon Nov 19, 2007 10:57 pm

humanist wrote:I do believe in Quebec's independence,



Personally, I don't have any real opinion on the Quebec independence issue. If Quebec became independent, Canada will still endure, though as I mentioned earlier: the number of Anglophones living in Quebec, coupled with the sizable minority of Francophones who believe in the Canadian Federation will ensure - for the time being - that Quebec remains part of Canada.
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Postby Nikephoros » Mon Nov 19, 2007 10:59 pm

Check out this url for Turkish fascist mountain disfigurement directed at Kurds:

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ie=UT ... &z=17&om=1

Source: Kurdistan Bloggers Union
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Postby miltiades » Mon Nov 19, 2007 11:01 pm

Nikephoros wrote:http://www.xs4all.nl/~tank/kurdish/htdocs/lib/yasar_kemal1.html
Yasar Kemal wrote:The sole reason for this war is that cancer of humanity, racism. If this were not so, would it be possible for right- wing, racist magazines and newspapers to declare that `The Turkish race is superior to every other'? The brother of this statement is `Happy is he who calls himself a Turk'. I first went to eastern Anatolia in 1951, and saw that on the mountain sides everywhere they had written in enormous letters visible from a distance of three, five and ten kilometres, `Happy is he who calls himself a Turk'. They had embellished the slopes of Mount Ararat, too. The entire mountain had become happy to be Turkish. And worse even, they made the children declare: `I am a Turk, I am honest, I am hard-working', every morning.


What kind of fascist people must disfigure numerous mountains to subject themselves and other nations with their ultra-nationalism?

99.8 % SUNNI MUSLIM TURKS

The official Kemalist ideology will not even spare the mountains.

Does anyone outside Turkey believe in the supremacy of being Turkish , and if not does it mean that those not Turkish are miserable !! Sounds a bit like the nonsense on "infidels "" !!!
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Postby BirKibrisli » Mon Nov 19, 2007 11:26 pm

A belated "hello" to you ,dear Kikapu...and to my other True Cypriot brothers and sisters...I am in Ankara at the moment visiting my sister.I will take the bus tomorrow to Istanbul and the plane to Oz from there on Wednesday...
So my magical homecoming tour is coming to an end...You will read my memoirs in not too distant future...I am leaving a big part of my heart in the Northern Hemisphere so I will be back real soon...I am looking forward to meeting those of you I have not managed to meet on this occasion...I too was looking forward to reading t_c's impressions of life in the trnc,but was similarly disappointed...I guess I'll have to wait till I can visit the North myself...Cheers for now... :) :)
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Postby denizaksulu » Mon Nov 19, 2007 11:31 pm

humanist wrote:Deniz
What is the purpose of the Giant Flags of the Pentadakylos. What will it achieve? If the Northern Government is seriously intent on Peace talks or Re-unification, is this the right approach? Isnt it just provocation?


Deniz, this is what a great number of people are also asking. I am glad that another Cypriot has stood up to ask the question. However, pls be mindful that there are a few other Cypriots who live in the north that will call you many names for asking the obvious question and making your statement.

Welcome to the Cypriot club mate.



Humanist, I am not the only person asking questions.The Turkish press has a number of commentaries questionig the flags purpose.
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Postby BirKibrisli » Mon Nov 19, 2007 11:38 pm

miltiades wrote:
Nikephoros wrote:http://www.xs4all.nl/~tank/kurdish/htdocs/lib/yasar_kemal1.html
Yasar Kemal wrote:The sole reason for this war is that cancer of humanity, racism. If this were not so, would it be possible for right- wing, racist magazines and newspapers to declare that `The Turkish race is superior to every other'? The brother of this statement is `Happy is he who calls himself a Turk'. I first went to eastern Anatolia in 1951, and saw that on the mountain sides everywhere they had written in enormous letters visible from a distance of three, five and ten kilometres, `Happy is he who calls himself a Turk'. They had embellished the slopes of Mount Ararat, too. The entire mountain had become happy to be Turkish. And worse even, they made the children declare: `I am a Turk, I am honest, I am hard-working', every morning.


What kind of fascist people must disfigure numerous mountains to subject themselves and other nations with their ultra-nationalism?

99.8 % SUNNI MUSLIM TURKS

The official Kemalist ideology will not even spare the mountains.

Does anyone outside Turkey believe in the supremacy of being Turkish , and if not does it mean that those not Turkish are miserable !! Sounds a bit like the nonsense on "infidels "" !!!


I am in the Turkish capital at the moment,dear miltiades...The whole nation is drunk on their victory over Norway in football...The media is full of stories about "rewriting history", "spreading the Turkish pride all over the world" and "the lions of Fatih conquering the world"...Come wednesday I predict they will lose points at home to Bosnia and kiss goodbye to their hopes of making it to the finals of the European Cup...
Turkishness seems to be like a big bubble...>It goes up quickly and is extinguished quickly...Nobody in Turkey really believes in the supremacy of being Turkish either...It is just wishful thinking...
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Postby Nikephoros » Mon Nov 19, 2007 11:46 pm

Yes, people in Turkey really do believe they are superior nation:

In a 1911 article Gokalp(the primary architect of Turkish nationalism) said that Turks were Nietzsche's supermen:
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Akcam, Taner; trans. Paul Bessemer. "A Shameful Act: The Armenian Genocide and the Question of Turkish Responsibility" Henry Holt and Company (New York, 2006) p. 88.

Echoing that sentiment in our times:
http://www.tsk.mil.tr/eng/genel_konular/tarihce.htm
Fascist Turkish General Staff wrote:... "Devoted soldiers as individuals, the Turks proved themselves to be an army-nation to the whole world. Beginning from the Turkish nations inCentral Asia till today, being a soldier was not considered as a profession, since every Turk was regarded as a naturally born warrior." ...


Birkibrisli, like most Turks is well aware of such facts which as a Greek I needed to search out and read from the library or the net.

Not that any of you NeoCypriot idiots care.
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