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[humanist]

GR I would have to say that from 1570 till 2007 is a long time and anyone with ancestry that goes that far back as far as am concerned and i tnink as far as Cypriot politicians ought to be concerned are Cypriot.

The stalemate in Cyprus is the fact that we as Cypriots are too thick headed to accept ourselves as Cypriots and hence we have the two main camps Greek and Turkish speaking. If we were foresighted people united under the banner of Cyprus Nation there wouldn't be a need for anything further.

For God's sakes if the people in the US whose whole entire existence as is known today can claim they are American an fight for the American cause then why can Cypriots dothe same.

NO I am not from a minority group in Cyprus and may be am talking garbage, but I am certainly within many minority groups in Australia and it is only me who keeps me from being part of the whole.

[Viewpoint]

GR I would have to say that from 1570 till 2007 is a long time and anyone with ancestry that goes that far back as far as am concerned and i tnink as far as Cypriot politicians ought to be concerned are Cypriot.

The stalemate in Cyprus is the fact that we as Cypriots are too thick headed to accept ourselves as Cypriots and hence we have the two main camps Greek and Turkish speaking. If we were foresighted people united under the banner of Cyprus Nation there wouldn't be a need for anything further.

For God's sakes if the people in the US whose whole entire existence as is known today can claim they are American an fight for the American cause then why can Cypriots dothe same.

NO I am not from a minority group in Cyprus and may be am talking garbage, but I am certainly within many minority groups in Australia and it is only me who keeps me from being part of the whole.

Have you ever asked yourself why TCs are the way they are?? answer this question and you will understand where we are coming from and why we demand what we do.

[humanist]

VP I cannot answer that question, it will only be an assumption on my part and I think we all have many assumptions of one another to fuck things up.

The only thing I can come up with is that you see yourself as different and for as long as one sees oneself as differnet they are not able to be part of the whole. Because of the perceived difference.

However, I am happy to hear from you the answer to that question and try to appreciate its essence.

Thanks

[Viewpoint]

VP I cannot answer that question, it will only be an assumption on my part and I think we all have many assumptions of one another to fuck things up.

The only thing I can come up with is that you see yourself as different and for as long as one sees oneself as differnet they are not able to be part of the whole. Because of the perceived difference.

However, I am happy to hear from you the answer to that question and try to appreciate its essence.

Thanks

Its very simple humanist and I am suprised that you have not worked it out...TCs do not trust GCs with their future and thats why they demand safeguards which on the surface appear to be unfair, as your leaders in the past and even today have never displayed that they care or have the best interests of TCs at heart, we have always been excluded and discriminated against.

[denizaksulu]

I have tried very hard to retain my composure with your "interesting" claim, anyways...

It's a well documented fact that Anatolian pirates were constantly raiding Cyprus for a good 100 years prior to the 1570 invasion of the Ottomans.

These Pirates were still mostly Ottomans but not part of the Ottoman army (non military). Your people ARE the remnants of these adventurous pirates and of the Ottoman soldiers sent to serve and settle here.

Get over it!

GR, I can get over it as you have reduced your claim from Pirates and Ottoman soldiers. Fair enough. Do you want to carry out a DNA test on me to ascertain my heritage? Odds on I might have more Cypriot 'blood' in me than you have. You might have more greek blood in your veins than I have Turkish blood. 'Intelligent' as you claim you are, you very well know the origins of many TCs are from Cypriot stock. Your agenda is ofcourse to dissociate TC from Cyprus altogether, hence your pointless claims. Ofcourse, for you this is a game which your 'master's have machinated. You'd do or say anything to have all TCs removed from MY island. That will never happen.

You are allowing yourself to get emotionally involved in this debate and that's always a mistake. What is it I have posted which is incorrect? Why do you take offence?

Would you like me to invent a beginning for the Turkish Cypriots to please you? I'll give it a shot...

Ok, at around 1570 God came down to Cyprus and said... "I place these people (TCs), my former angels on this island so that they may dwell and flourish among these weird locals..."

HAPPY?

Very Happy. Happy I am Cypriot. Deal with.

You are always fudging the issue. making light of it. Go forth and play games with Tpapa.

[Viewpoint]

VP I cannot answer that question, it will only be an assumption on my part and I think we all have many assumptions of one another to fuck things up.

The only thing I can come up with is that you see yourself as different and for as long as one sees oneself as differnet they are not able to be part of the whole. Because of the perceived difference.

However, I am happy to hear from you the answer to that question and try to appreciate its essence.

Thanks

Its very simple humanist and I am suprised that you have not worked it out...TCs do not trust GCs with their future and thats why they demand safeguards which on the surface appear to be unfair, as your leaders in the past and even today have never displayed that they care or have the best interests of TCs at heart, we have always been excluded and discriminated against.

any comments humanist??

[humanist]

VP

its very simple humanist and I am suprised that you have not worked it out...TCs do not trust GCs with their future and thats why they demand safeguards which on the surface appear to be unfair, as your leaders in the past and even today have never displayed that they care or have the best interests of TCs at heart, we have always been excluded and discriminated against.

Sorry VP it's morning here and I went to take my dog for a walk.

VP I hear you speak of trust and I understand.

However we are on two very differnet planes of thought. I am saying and I hope people understand me is that the minute we stop identifying as one or another and we identify as Cypriots there will be no Cypro, all Cypriots will then be equal and as such we have no majority or minority in terms of ethnicity. It is inneviatable within the human race not to haave minority groups because we cannot stand the thought that someone else has differnet preferences be it religion, sexulaity, the colour of their skin is differnet and the list goes on.

I agree that in the past those Cypriots who spoke Turkish had been discriminated against. Today in Cyprus that is not the case. That was recently confirmed, by my newly made friend Mr Hassan. I am not going to say that there isn't a level of difference due to the fact that the Turkish speaking community perceive the Greek speaking community as the enemy and vsv. I doubt that in a united Cyprus that will be the case.

By the way in a few years time I doubt wheteher there will be a Cyprus. The world is moving very fast VP and a Europe withiout borders will superceed Cyprus, Italy or the Malta.

[MR-from-NG]

VP

its very simple humanist and I am suprised that you have not worked it out...TCs do not trust GCs with their future and thats why they demand safeguards which on the surface appear to be unfair, as your leaders in the past and even today have never displayed that they care or have the best interests of TCs at heart, we have always been excluded and discriminated against.

Sorry VP it's morning here and I went to take my dog for a walk.

VP I hear you speak of trust and I understand.

However we are on two very differnet planes of thought. I am saying and I hope people understand me is that the minute we stop identifying as one or another and we identify as Cypriots there will be no Cypro, all Cypriots will then be equal and as such we have no majority or minority in terms of ethnicity. It is inneviatable within the human race not to haave minority groups because we cannot stand the thought that someone else has differnet preferences be it religion, sexulaity, the colour of their skin is differnet and the list goes on.

I agree that in the past those Cypriots who spoke Turkish had been discriminated against. Today in Cyprus that is not the case. That was recently confirmed, by my newly made friend Mr Hassan. I am not going to say that there isn't a level of difference due to the fact that the Turkish speaking community perceive the Greek speaking community as the enemy and vsv. I doubt that in a united Cyprus that will be the case.

By the way in a few years time I doubt wheteher there will be a Cyprus. The world is moving very fast VP and a Europe withiout borders will superceed Cyprus, Italy or the Malta.

Humanist, you are genuinely a nice fellow, you have a heart of gold, you couldn't hurt a fly. You mean well with your comments and in an ideal world what you say is a reality.

However, things are not as rosey as you may think. In the event of a return to pre 74 the Tcs would be no better than the days of 60-74, we would be second-class citizens, we would be dominated and humiliated by the GCs.

If you could guarantee us that all the GCs will be converted or cloned to be like yourself then count us in.

[boomerang]

TCs do not trust GCs

any comments humanist??

Would that explain the death of the 2 kids in 95 and with the recent death of DT's father in law.

[Get Real!]

If you could guarantee us that all the GCs will be converted or cloned to be like yourself then count us in.

Let me get this straight... you want all GCs to turn gay or you won't unite with them?