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[denizaksulu]

Hi GF, long time no see...

I wouldn't call the TCs "indigenous"!

Yeah, wrong word.

Wanted to say something like "constituent community".

Technically (historically) they are remnants of former Anatolian Mediterranean pirates.

Sometimes I dont know what orifice you talk from GR. Most of the sailors in the Ottoman navy were Greek with a smuttering of other Mediteranean types. Even the Barbarossa brothers had Greek blood. I only refer to the Sailors. Sometimes your ranting is quite ludicrious. Its best when you stop being the forum clown.

Regards

[Get Real!]

Hi GF, long time no see...

I wouldn't call the TCs "indigenous"!

Yeah, wrong word.

Wanted to say something like "constituent community".

Technically (historically) they are remnants of former Anatolian Mediterranean pirates.

Sometimes I dont know what orifice you talk from GR. Most of the sailors in the Ottoman navy were Greek with a smuttering of other Mediteranean types. Even the Barbarossa brothers had Greek blood. I only refer to the Sailors. Sometimes your ranting is quite ludicrious. Its best when you stop being the forum clown.

Regards

The library of congress says...

Throughout the period of Venetian rule, Ottoman Turks raided and attacked at will. In 1489, the first year of Venetian control, Turks attacked the Karpas Peninsula, pillaging and taking captives to be sold into slavery. In 1539 the Turkish fleet attacked and destroyed Limassol. Fearing the ever-expanding Ottoman Empire, the Venetians had fortified Famagusta, Nicosia, and Kyrenia, but most other cities were easy prey.

In the summer of 1570, the Turks struck again, but this time with a full-scale invasion rather than a raid. About 60,000 troops, including cavalry and artillery, under the command of Lala Mustafa Pasha landed unopposed near Limassol on July 2, 1570, and laid siege to Nicosia. In an orgy of victory on the day that the city fell--September 9, 1570--20,000 Nicosians were put to death, and every church, public building, and palace was looted. Word of the massacre spread, and a few days later Mustafa took Kyrenia without having to fire a shot. Famagusta, however, resisted and put up a heroic defense that lasted from September 1570 until August 1571.

http://lcweb2.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r?f ... CID+cy0017)

[Nikitas]

YOu guys are making me recall my history lessons. The commander of Famagusta, the Venetian Antonio Bragadin, made a deal with Lala pasha to surrender the city and leave for Venice.

The manner in which the deal was kept seems more important than the rest of the details.

[denizaksulu]

Hi GF, long time no see...

I wouldn't call the TCs "indigenous"!

Yeah, wrong word.

Wanted to say something like "constituent community".

Technically (historically) they are remnants of former Anatolian Mediterranean pirates.

Sometimes I dont know what orifice you talk from GR. Most of the sailors in the Ottoman navy were Greek with a smuttering of other Mediteranean types. Even the Barbarossa brothers had Greek blood. I only refer to the Sailors. Sometimes your ranting is quite ludicrious. Its best when you stop being the forum clown.

Regards

The library of congress says...

Throughout the period of Venetian rule, Ottoman Turks raided and attacked at will. In 1489, the first year of Venetian control, Turks attacked the Karpas Peninsula, pillaging and taking captives to be sold into slavery. In 1539 the Turkish fleet attacked and destroyed Limassol. Fearing the ever-expanding Ottoman Empire, the Venetians had fortified Famagusta, Nicosia, and Kyrenia, but most other cities were easy prey.

In the summer of 1570, the Turks struck again, but this time with a full-scale invasion rather than a raid. About 60,000 troops, including cavalry and artillery, under the command of Lala Mustafa Pasha landed unopposed near Limassol on July 2, 1570, and laid siege to Nicosia. In an orgy of victory on the day that the city fell--September 9, 1570--20,000 Nicosians were put to death, and every church, public building, and palace was looted. Word of the massacre spread, and a few days later Mustafa took Kyrenia without having to fire a shot. Famagusta, however, resisted and put up a heroic defense that lasted from September 1570 until August 1571.

http://lcweb2.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r?f ... CID+cy0017)

Same school as Piratis then. Ha ha haa

[Get Real!]

Hi GF, long time no see...

I wouldn't call the TCs "indigenous"!

Yeah, wrong word.

Wanted to say something like "constituent community".

Technically (historically) they are remnants of former Anatolian Mediterranean pirates.

Sometimes I dont know what orifice you talk from GR. Most of the sailors in the Ottoman navy were Greek with a smuttering of other Mediteranean types. Even the Barbarossa brothers had Greek blood. I only refer to the Sailors. Sometimes your ranting is quite ludicrious. Its best when you stop being the forum clown.

Regards

The library of congress says...

Throughout the period of Venetian rule, Ottoman Turks raided and attacked at will. In 1489, the first year of Venetian control, Turks attacked the Karpas Peninsula, pillaging and taking captives to be sold into slavery. In 1539 the Turkish fleet attacked and destroyed Limassol. Fearing the ever-expanding Ottoman Empire, the Venetians had fortified Famagusta, Nicosia, and Kyrenia, but most other cities were easy prey.

In the summer of 1570, the Turks struck again, but this time with a full-scale invasion rather than a raid. About 60,000 troops, including cavalry and artillery, under the command of Lala Mustafa Pasha landed unopposed near Limassol on July 2, 1570, and laid siege to Nicosia. In an orgy of victory on the day that the city fell--September 9, 1570--20,000 Nicosians were put to death, and every church, public building, and palace was looted. Word of the massacre spread, and a few days later Mustafa took Kyrenia without having to fire a shot. Famagusta, however, resisted and put up a heroic defense that lasted from September 1570 until August 1571.

http://lcweb2.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r?f ... CID+cy0017)

Same school as Piratis then. Ha ha haa

How about a link that proves the Ottoman Turks were mostly Greeks as you claim...

[denizaksulu]

Hi GF, long time no see...

I wouldn't call the TCs "indigenous"!

Yeah, wrong word.

Wanted to say something like "constituent community".

Technically (historically) they are remnants of former Anatolian Mediterranean pirates.

Sometimes I dont know what orifice you talk from GR. Most of the sailors in the Ottoman navy were Greek with a smuttering of other Mediteranean types. Even the Barbarossa brothers had Greek blood. I only refer to the Sailors. Sometimes your ranting is quite ludicrious. Its best when you stop being the forum clown.

Regards

The library of congress says...

Throughout the period of Venetian rule, Ottoman Turks raided and attacked at will. In 1489, the first year of Venetian control, Turks attacked the Karpas Peninsula, pillaging and taking captives to be sold into slavery. In 1539 the Turkish fleet attacked and destroyed Limassol. Fearing the ever-expanding Ottoman Empire, the Venetians had fortified Famagusta, Nicosia, and Kyrenia, but most other cities were easy prey.

In the summer of 1570, the Turks struck again, but this time with a full-scale invasion rather than a raid. About 60,000 troops, including cavalry and artillery, under the command of Lala Mustafa Pasha landed unopposed near Limassol on July 2, 1570, and laid siege to Nicosia. In an orgy of victory on the day that the city fell--September 9, 1570--20,000 Nicosians were put to death, and every church, public building, and palace was looted. Word of the massacre spread, and a few days later Mustafa took Kyrenia without having to fire a shot. Famagusta, however, resisted and put up a heroic defense that lasted from September 1570 until August 1571.

http://lcweb2.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r?f ... CID+cy0017)

Same school as Piratis then. Ha ha haa

How about a link that proves the Ottoman Turks were mostly Greeks as you claim...

It unlikely that my sources are Turkish. Long time ago I came across a book which stated to the effect that most of the sailors were in fact recruited from the Aegean Islands and Dodecanese as the Greek inhabitants of these islands were good sea farers. In passing of time these books have left my possession. One comes to mind. I thinkit was 'The Mediterranean', a two volume work. The author baudel or something like that. Or I have a copy of warfdare in the Levant - Salamis till the present day . I will have to dig it out from the @loft@.
Remind me if I forget. I am new at finding links. Give me time.

Just checked Amazon.com couldnt find the first book 'The Meditt...)

Mind you, your links prove not a lot. They are only quotations of biased contemporary writers

[Get Real!]

Hi GF, long time no see...

I wouldn't call the TCs "indigenous"!

Yeah, wrong word.

Wanted to say something like "constituent community".

Technically (historically) they are remnants of former Anatolian Mediterranean pirates.

Sometimes I dont know what orifice you talk from GR. Most of the sailors in the Ottoman navy were Greek with a smuttering of other Mediteranean types. Even the Barbarossa brothers had Greek blood. I only refer to the Sailors. Sometimes your ranting is quite ludicrious. Its best when you stop being the forum clown.

Regards

The library of congress says...

Throughout the period of Venetian rule, Ottoman Turks raided and attacked at will. In 1489, the first year of Venetian control, Turks attacked the Karpas Peninsula, pillaging and taking captives to be sold into slavery. In 1539 the Turkish fleet attacked and destroyed Limassol. Fearing the ever-expanding Ottoman Empire, the Venetians had fortified Famagusta, Nicosia, and Kyrenia, but most other cities were easy prey.

In the summer of 1570, the Turks struck again, but this time with a full-scale invasion rather than a raid. About 60,000 troops, including cavalry and artillery, under the command of Lala Mustafa Pasha landed unopposed near Limassol on July 2, 1570, and laid siege to Nicosia. In an orgy of victory on the day that the city fell--September 9, 1570--20,000 Nicosians were put to death, and every church, public building, and palace was looted. Word of the massacre spread, and a few days later Mustafa took Kyrenia without having to fire a shot. Famagusta, however, resisted and put up a heroic defense that lasted from September 1570 until August 1571.

http://lcweb2.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r?f ... CID+cy0017)

Same school as Piratis then. Ha ha haa

How about a link that proves the Ottoman Turks were mostly Greeks as you claim...

It unlikely that my sources are Turkish. Long time ago I came across a book which stated to the effect that most of the sailors were in fact recruited from the Aegean Islands and Dodecanese as the Greek inhabitants of these islands were good sea farers. In passing of time these books have left my possession. One comes to mind. I thinkit was 'The Mediterranean', a two volume work. The author baudel or something like that. Or I have a copy of warfdare in the Levant - Salamis till the present day . I will have to dig it out from the @loft@.
Remind me if I forget. I am new at finding links. Give me time.

Just checked Amazon.com couldnt find the first book 'The Meditt...)

Mind you, your links prove not a lot. They are only quotations of biased contemporary writers

I have tried very hard to retain my composure with your "interesting" claim, anyways...

It's a well documented fact that Anatolian pirates were constantly raiding Cyprus for a good 100 years prior to the 1570 invasion of the Ottomans.

These Pirates were still mostly Ottomans but not part of the Ottoman army (non military). Your people ARE the remnants of these adventurous pirates and of the Ottoman soldiers sent to serve and settle here.

Get over it!

[denizaksulu]

Hi GF, long time no see...

I wouldn't call the TCs "indigenous"!

Yeah, wrong word.

Wanted to say something like "constituent community".

Technically (historically) they are remnants of former Anatolian Mediterranean pirates.

Sometimes I dont know what orifice you talk from GR. Most of the sailors in the Ottoman navy were Greek with a smuttering of other Mediteranean types. Even the Barbarossa brothers had Greek blood. I only refer to the Sailors. Sometimes your ranting is quite ludicrious. Its best when you stop being the forum clown.

Regards

The library of congress says...

Throughout the period of Venetian rule, Ottoman Turks raided and attacked at will. In 1489, the first year of Venetian control, Turks attacked the Karpas Peninsula, pillaging and taking captives to be sold into slavery. In 1539 the Turkish fleet attacked and destroyed Limassol. Fearing the ever-expanding Ottoman Empire, the Venetians had fortified Famagusta, Nicosia, and Kyrenia, but most other cities were easy prey.

In the summer of 1570, the Turks struck again, but this time with a full-scale invasion rather than a raid. About 60,000 troops, including cavalry and artillery, under the command of Lala Mustafa Pasha landed unopposed near Limassol on July 2, 1570, and laid siege to Nicosia. In an orgy of victory on the day that the city fell--September 9, 1570--20,000 Nicosians were put to death, and every church, public building, and palace was looted. Word of the massacre spread, and a few days later Mustafa took Kyrenia without having to fire a shot. Famagusta, however, resisted and put up a heroic defense that lasted from September 1570 until August 1571.

http://lcweb2.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r?f ... CID+cy0017)

Same school as Piratis then. Ha ha haa

How about a link that proves the Ottoman Turks were mostly Greeks as you claim...

It unlikely that my sources are Turkish. Long time ago I came across a book which stated to the effect that most of the sailors were in fact recruited from the Aegean Islands and Dodecanese as the Greek inhabitants of these islands were good sea farers. In passing of time these books have left my possession. One comes to mind. I thinkit was 'The Mediterranean', a two volume work. The author baudel or something like that. Or I have a copy of warfdare in the Levant - Salamis till the present day . I will have to dig it out from the @loft@.
Remind me if I forget. I am new at finding links. Give me time.

Just checked Amazon.com couldnt find the first book 'The Meditt...)

Mind you, your links prove not a lot. They are only quotations of biased contemporary writers

I have tried very hard to retain my composure with your "interesting" claim, anyways...

It's a well documented fact that Anatolian pirates were constantly raiding Cyprus for a good 100 years prior to the 1570 invasion of the Ottomans.

These Pirates were still mostly Ottomans but not part of the Ottoman army (non military). Your people ARE the remnants of these adventurous pirates and of the Ottoman soldiers sent to serve and settle here.

Get over it!

GR, I can get over it as you have reduced your claim from Pirates and Ottoman soldiers. Fair enough. Do you want to carry out a DNA test on me to ascertain my heritage? Odds on I might have more Cypriot 'blood' in me than you have. You might have more greek blood in your veins than I have Turkish blood. 'Intelligent' as you claim you are, you very well know the origins of many TCs are from Cypriot stock. Your agenda is ofcourse to dissociate TC from Cyprus altogether, hence your pointless claims. Ofcourse, for you this is a game which your 'master's have machinated. You'd do or say anything to have all TCs removed from MY island. That will never happen.

Get Over it.

Regards

[humanist]

Do TCs think they are superior to the Armenians, Maronites, Latins because of their numerical advantage ?

There are 5 equal, indigenous communities on Cyprus and don't you forget it.

Not all Turkish speaking Cypriots, but some on this forum would believe so. Every time I put thwe question forth no one appears to come up with an answer.

VP also forgets to ad in his equality of political power, as to whether any of the enclaved Greek speaking Cypriots and whether they have equality of the political power. He expects the RoC to share the power but mentions nothing of equal power to those minority groups currently living in the occupied areas of the RoC.

[Get Real!]

I have tried very hard to retain my composure with your "interesting" claim, anyways...

It's a well documented fact that Anatolian pirates were constantly raiding Cyprus for a good 100 years prior to the 1570 invasion of the Ottomans.

These Pirates were still mostly Ottomans but not part of the Ottoman army (non military). Your people ARE the remnants of these adventurous pirates and of the Ottoman soldiers sent to serve and settle here.

Get over it!

GR, I can get over it as you have reduced your claim from Pirates and Ottoman soldiers. Fair enough. Do you want to carry out a DNA test on me to ascertain my heritage? Odds on I might have more Cypriot 'blood' in me than you have. You might have more greek blood in your veins than I have Turkish blood. 'Intelligent' as you claim you are, you very well know the origins of many TCs are from Cypriot stock. Your agenda is ofcourse to dissociate TC from Cyprus altogether, hence your pointless claims. Ofcourse, for you this is a game which your 'master's have machinated. You'd do or say anything to have all TCs removed from MY island. That will never happen.

You are allowing yourself to get emotionally involved in this debate and that's always a mistake. What is it I have posted which is incorrect? Why do you take offence?

Would you like me to invent a beginning for the Turkish Cypriots to please you? I'll give it a shot...

Ok, at around 1570 God came down to Cyprus and said... "I place these people (TCs), my former angels on this island so that they may dwell and flourish among these weird locals..."

HAPPY?