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[miltiades]

My motherland is Cyprus which is yours ?

Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus.

Your "motherland" is a dead donkey...

http://www.un.int/cyprus/scr541.htm

Thank you for your "sincere" concern but dead donkey or not we are OK until you come to your senses. But dont wait for things to stay as they are there maybe developments you do not like.

Are you talking about the Turkish plans to eliminate for ever the T/Cs , plans that you personally approve wholeheartedly ?
From what I hear the T/Cs DO NOT want to become extinct , only foreigners such as the settlers , your self included want to be absorbed by Turkey , a nation still struggling to enter the 21st century in more ways than one . It has its flags to keep the morale up though !!!!

[humanist]

utu you have no idea.

[miltiades]

University students in Turkey , 40 % 0f those questioned , supported honour killings . I wonder how long before honour killings begin to happen in the Northern part of Cyprus. Will there be a backlash against such vile acts , of course there will be but it wont be from the majority but from the Turkish Cypriots . Only time will show , the fact remains that the longer that Cyprus remains divided the greater the risk of pushing this part of Cyprus totaly in the hands of Turkey . The mind indeed wonders if 40% of University students are in favour of such acts what percentage of the public at large . Will the Northern part of Cyprus be any different in say 50 years from now if no solution is found and it becomes another part of Anatolia Turkey ?

'Honour' crime defiance in Turkey
By Sarah Rainsford
BBC News, Istanbul



Some Turkish men back gruesome punishments for women
A survey by a university in Turkey has shown almost 40% support for the practice of "honour killing".

The results come days after a court in Istanbul gave a life sentence for the murder of a girl by her brothers for giving birth to a child out of wedlock.

Turkish law, which used to be lenient on "honour crimes", was heavily revised as part of the country's preparation for EU accession proceedings.

Turkey has started talks with the EU but is not expected to join for years.

The survey was conducted in the conservative south-eastern city of Diyarbakir.

Disfigured

It questioned 430 people, most of them men. When asked the appropriate punishment for a woman who has committed adultery, 37% replied she should be killed.

Twenty-five percent said that she deserved divorce, and 21% that her nose or ears should be cut off.

The survey group was small but the results are a reminder that "honour killing" - a practice where women are murdered for allegedly bringing shame on their family - still has significant support in parts of Turkey.

There are no reliable statistics on how many women die this way, but Turkey has made major strides fighting such violence.

Research panel

Since the penal code was reformed last summer a man can no longer claim he was provoked as his defence. That used to lead to light sentences.

But last Friday a court in Istanbul sent a man to prison for life for murdering his sister in her hospital bed.

He shot her for giving birth to a child outside marriage. """

[denizaksulu]

utu this view is simplistic as a cause . . . more a symptom.

The catalyst for the Cyprus problem, IMHO, was the 1960 Constitution dished out to the RoC by the British as their last punishment to us for wanting freedom.

Having got our "freedom" any efforts to democratise the setup were destroyed by the will of the TCs + Turkey in unison. All this culminated in the Greek response in 1974, and the Turkish counter-response which left Cyprus split.

Did the British foresee this eventuality?

I agree that the imposed constitution of 1960 was a flawed document. No argument there. There needs to be a better thought-out one. So, IMHO, if there is reconciliation, one of the first things that will need to be done is a constitutional convention. (The second thing being to wash humanist's mouth out with soap for his language...)[/quote]


Hey, Utu, thats my line. There are far worse misuse of language from others. At least we are in agreement there.

[denizaksulu]

What is the purpose of the Giant Flags of the Pentadakylos. What will it achieve? If the Northern Government is seriously intent on Peace talks or Re-unification, is this the right approach? Isnt it just provocation?

There is no purpose except to further infuriate people, even if the flags are facing Turkey. I see no point or purpose in this whatsoever except for spending money for the sake of it. I sincerely hope this does not go ahead, and that they also start dismantling the night time light show on the mountainside as well.

This is our side we can do what we want, we are further form a solution than we have ever been so why do we have wait, we can do what we want in our own country.

There are a lot of greek speaking Cypriots who also call the areas in question 'OUR COUNTRY' , legally as well. What can we say to those GCs from those areas?

What do you say to the aborginies or the native Americans? TCs are not that hard we are still open to a partnership solution as long as we know exactly what we will be facing and have safeguards to ensure we administer the north and Gcs administer the south and we are never again pushed to one side, allowing everyone allowed to travel and settle where ever they wish.

VP, with respect to your opinions, settlement or no settlement, it is still their home. Just like when I go south of the line to my village, I know that is my home. The administration of the south will never tell me to go away or 'you cant have your home or land back'.

Have you asked for it back?

Sincere answer. NO.

It is currently occupied by refugees from Yialousa. I await developments.

[humanist]

Deniz you are a remarkable man, I hope that despite my bad language (which btw I make no apology to it) I hope that one day I get the opportunity to meet you and shake your hand. I also would encourage you to ask for your land back. I appreciate that the refugees willbe out yet agan but I believe it is your right and it is your country and welcome to it, all of it not just part of it but all of it.

[denizaksulu]

Deniz you are a remarkable man, I hope that despite my bad language (which btw I make no apology to it) I hope that one day I get the opportunity to meet you and shake your hand. I also would encourage you to ask for your land back. I appreciate that the refugees willbe out yet agan but I believe it is your right and it is your country and welcome to it, all of it not just part of it but all of it.

Humanist , please embarrass me no further. Your lapse was a drop in the ocean. Not worth mentioning.

I know it it is my land. I have made enquiries and was told that I am welcome to it.
Needless to say GC's are queeing up to buy TC land at ridiculous prices. Even advertising in TC papers in London.

As to the refugees, I will not be instrumental in another upheaval. Cypriots (all) have suffered enough.

[phoenix]

utu this view is simplistic as a cause . . . more a symptom.

The catalyst for the Cyprus problem, IMHO, was the 1960 Constitution dished out to the RoC by the British as their last punishment to us for wanting freedom.

Having got our "freedom" any efforts to democratise the setup were destroyed by the will of the TCs + Turkey in unison. All this culminated in the Greek response in 1974, and the Turkish counter-response which left Cyprus split.

Did the British foresee this eventuality?

I agree that the imposed constitution of 1960 was a flawed document. No argument there. There needs to be a better thought-out one. So, IMHO, if there is reconciliation, one of the first things that will need to be done is a constitutional convention. (The second thing being to wash humanist's mouth out with soap for his language.

We are agreeing on the original constitutional flaws which gave the TCs too much credence in governing the RoC then.

But regarding Humanist . . . his understandable outburst was in direct response to (either) your lack of knowledge or insensitive provocation, because Humanist does not normally resort to vernacular. Take it as a direct indicator of the pain he carries with him for what the Turkish invasion has inflicted on his life.

[phoenix]

Deniz you are a remarkable man, I hope that despite my bad language (which btw I make no apology to it) I hope that one day I get the opportunity to meet you and shake your hand. I also would encourage you to ask for your land back. I appreciate that the refugees willbe out yet agan but I believe it is your right and it is your country and welcome to it, all of it not just part of it but all of it.

Humanist , please embarrass me no further. Your lapse was a drop in the ocean. Not worth mentioning.

I know it it is my land. I have made enquiries and was told that I am welcome to it.
Needless to say GC's are queeing up to buy TC land at ridiculous prices. Even advertising in TC papers in London.

As to the refugees, I will not be instrumental in another upheaval. Cypriots (all) have suffered enough.

So you stole our land and the only way we can get it back is to buy it

. . . . fell off the back of a lorry, guvnor

[denizaksulu]

Deniz you are a remarkable man, I hope that despite my bad language (which btw I make no apology to it) I hope that one day I get the opportunity to meet you and shake your hand. I also would encourage you to ask for your land back. I appreciate that the refugees willbe out yet agan but I believe it is your right and it is your country and welcome to it, all of it not just part of it but all of it.

Humanist , please embarrass me no further. Your lapse was a drop in the ocean. Not worth mentioning.

I know it it is my land. I have made enquiries and was told that I am welcome to it.
Needless to say GC's are queeing up to buy TC land at ridiculous prices. Even advertising in TC papers in London.

As to the refugees, I will not be instrumental in another upheaval. Cypriots (all) have suffered enough.

So you stole our land and the only way we can get it back is to buy it

. . . . fell off the back of a lorry, guvnor

Phoenix my dear.

You look and do not see. But then this is your agenda.

Not becoming of a supposedly intelligent woman as you want us to believe.

Sometimes I despair at why I bother.

You need to increase your dose of Prozac or is it Testosterone nowadays.