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IS CULTURE IMPORTANT FOR A NATION?

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IS CULTURE IMPORTANT FOR A NATION?

Postby EPSILON » Sun Nov 18, 2007 8:05 pm

We are trying to solve Cyprus problem.

There are may ideas on the final product which will be the result of an agreed solution.


We have people or countries trying to solve the problem in line with their own interests.

We have others trying just to give a solution without ny interest about the kind of solution.

Some others are thinking about a solution in line with the international law.

We are some people who consider that a peacefull devorse and separation is the solution.

I heard Mr Christofias (i will go to hear him again tomorrow in Athens) explaining the big problems a division solution can create.The only important argument he had was that we will have boarders with Turkey and that Tcs or Turks can move to South and create population problem.

Any agreed solution in Cyprus will have some basic provisions for the safety of the two communities-Annan plan had some.!

I am sure that in the case of a division (taksim) agreement will be several provisions about popultion movements etc.

Today i was reading in a newspaper that in Belgium they start to thing about a division because ,after about 180 days, they can not agree on a government establishment.

The population in Belgium (both sides) are much more close in regard of culture than Gcs and Tcs. (Whatever sill emain as Gcs culture after 40 years investigations who they are-Greeks-Syrians-Pakistans-Americans-Nigerians )

We , the Greeks of Cyprus, after the schock of th invasion, we have colapsed as culture. We became a culture-blowing in the wind-

We dis-estimate the value and the importance of clear culture and history-we lost our way and we are trying to find a way-We are part of one of the most important and famous civilization in the World and we became like the citizens of FYROM.-Trying to establish a new ID.

All above of course is the result of NANO POLITICS (This expression will be famous) which is followed by the Gcs politicians
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Postby Kifeas » Sun Nov 18, 2007 8:34 pm

How a person with profoundly no culture of his own, may talk about others loosing their culture, is beyond me to comprehend! For, a person with some culture at least doesn’t speak in such “black and white” terms visa vie cultural identities and nations, a clear sign that not only he or she is not adequately educated, but also that he or she doesn’t even know what culture is all about! There is no nation-state on this planet today with a one single distinct cultural identity, yet some dogmatic 15th century mentalities –to use my friend Kikapu’s terminology, imagine culture as a static and mono-dimensional expression, not far from their theocratic perception of life itself! The entire planet has long ago become a global multi-cultural village, and now, through the expansion of internet, people have the privilege to explore all sorts of ideas and virtually come in conduct with all sorts of people across the planet and exchange views and information, yet there are people that still live with blinkers on!
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Postby Daemon » Sun Nov 18, 2007 8:36 pm

I heard Mr Christofias (i will go to hear him again tomorrow in Athens) explaining the big problems a division solution can create.The only important argument he had was that we will have boarders with Turkey and that Tcs or Turks can move to South and create population problem.

Any agreed solution in Cyprus will have some basic provisions for the safety of the two communities-Annan plan had some.!


Entaksi when there will be 1 or 2 million Turks in the island you will see the difference where even your existence in the island will be threaten and no in the A-plan we didn’t have either the 50 000 Turkish troops, either borders with an Islamic fascistic country and the settlement from Turkey was controlled by laws but also by Europe, keep this bullshits for your self. The worst that can happen for Cyprus is staying like this for a long time and after is division that some day may lead to war (were the patriotic bully's that afraid the war though the A-Plan with the same power) will have to deal with a situation that the A-Plan could never produce.
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Postby EPSILON » Sun Nov 18, 2007 8:49 pm

Kifeas wrote:How a person with profoundly no culture of his own, may talk about others loosing their culture, is beyond me to comprehend! For, a person with some culture at least doesn’t speak in such “black and white” terms visa vie cultural identities and nations, a clear sign that not only he or she is not adequately educated, but also that he or she doesn’t even know what culture is all about! There is no nation-state on this planet today with a one single distinct cultural identity, yet some dogmatic 15th century mentalities –to use my friend Kikapu’s terminology, imagine culture as a static and mono-dimensional expression, not far from their theocratic perception of life itself! The entire planet has long ago become a global multi-cultural village, and now, through the expansion of internet, people have the privilege to explore all sorts of ideas and virtually come in conduct with all sorts of people across the planet and exchange views and information, yet there are people that still live with blinkers on!


A pure mind can produce a pure reply.

CULTURE IS NOT A CHURCHE - IS CIVILIZATION.AND IN CYPRUS WE HAVE NO COVILIZATION BECAUSE PEOPLE BECAME LIKE YOU-NOT THEIR FAULT BUT IS A FACT-
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Postby Daemon » Sun Nov 18, 2007 9:36 pm

CULTURE IS NOT A CHURCHE - IS CIVILIZATION.AND IN CYPRUS WE HAVE NO COVILIZATION BECAUSE PEOPLE BECAME LIKE YOU-NOT THEIR FAULT BUT IS A FACT-


And in Greece you see any culture re?

Cyprus is just more east but is not so far.

How a person with profoundly no culture of his own, may talk about others loosing their culture, is beyond me to comprehend! For, a person with some culture at least doesn’t speak in such “black and white” terms visa vie cultural identities and nations, a clear sign that not only he or she is not adequately educated, but also that he or she doesn’t even know what culture is all about! There is no nation-state on this planet today with a one single distinct cultural identity, yet some dogmatic 15th century mentalities –to use my friend Kikapu’s terminology, imagine culture as a static and mono-dimensional expression, not far from their theocratic perception of life itself! The entire planet has long ago become a global multi-cultural village, and now, through the expansion of internet, people have the privilege to explore all sorts of ideas and virtually come in conduct with all sorts of people across the planet and exchange views and information, yet there are people that still live with blinkers on!


Here is an event!!! I completely agree with Kifeas even in the commas and the dots.
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Postby EPSILON » Sun Nov 18, 2007 9:44 pm

Daemon wrote:
CULTURE IS NOT A CHURCHE - IS CIVILIZATION.AND IN CYPRUS WE HAVE NO COVILIZATION BECAUSE PEOPLE BECAME LIKE YOU-NOT THEIR FAULT BUT IS A FACT-


And in Greece you see any culture re?

Cyprus is just more east but is not so far.

How a person with profoundly no culture of his own, may talk about others loosing their culture, is beyond me to comprehend! For, a person with some culture at least doesn’t speak in such “black and white” terms visa vie cultural identities and nations, a clear sign that not only he or she is not adequately educated, but also that he or she doesn’t even now what culture is all about! There is no nation-state on this planet today with a one single distinct cultural identity, yet some dogmatic 15th century mentalities –to use my friend Kikapu’s terminology, imagine culture as a static and mono-dimensional expression, not far from their theocratic perception of life itself! The entire planet has long ago become a global multi-cultural village, and now, through the expansion of internet, people have the privilege to explore all sorts of ideas and virtually come in conduct with all sorts of people across the planet and exchange views and information, yet there are people that still live with blinkers on!


Here is an event!!! I completely agree with Kifeas even in the commas and the dots.

Just by next sunday a Greek newspaper and a Cyprus one- then compare the index and you will weak up from your 40 years sleap!!!!

I am not refering to Cyprus authors and books because i will present myself to hate Cypriots which is not the case, against I am trying to move some waters in Cyprus lake.
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Postby miltiades » Sun Nov 18, 2007 9:58 pm

What utter rubbish by two ignoramus. Cyprus has had its own culture for thousands of years !
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You take your Greek Republic of Cyprus and shove it up your arse !! My republic is that , that the entire world knows , the Republic Of Cyprus . ROC NOT GROC !!
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Postby Daemon » Sun Nov 18, 2007 10:07 pm

Epsilon the neoGreek culture is a mix of all the human rubbish cultures, where you can find more Jewish cultural elements than Greek. If Cyprus will be lucky enough to escape from the cultural shit hole of the neoGreeks may achieve something much better.

Militiadis think about retirement of life, I do not see any more use for it.
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Postby EPSILON » Sun Nov 18, 2007 10:14 pm

Daemon wrote:Epsilon the neoGreek culture is a mix of all the human rubbish cultures, where you can find more Jewish cultural elements than Greek. If Cyprus will be lucky enough to escape from the cultural shit hole of the neoGreeks may achieve something much better.

Militiadis think about retirement of life, I do not see any more use for it.


Allow me to say that you know nothing about today's Greek culture. You hear many negative things and maybe there are many of them BUT:friendship,Philotimo, Magia, respect of family,love for the country are still here, despite what you think.

Is a different thing my friend to be affected by American style of life and be Greek or Turk or Pakistani and is a different thing to be affected by American life style and be NOBODY -be a "CYPRIOT"
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Postby EPSILON » Sun Nov 18, 2007 10:17 pm

EPSILON wrote:
Daemon wrote:Epsilon the neoGreek culture is a mix of all the human rubbish cultures, where you can find more Jewish cultural elements than Greek. If Cyprus will be lucky enough to escape from the cultural shit hole of the neoGreeks may achieve something much better.

Militiadis think about retirement of life, I do not see any more use for it.


Allow me to say that you know nothing about today's Greek culture. You hear many negative things and maybe there are many of them BUT:friendship,Philotimo, Magia, respect of family,love for the country are still here, despite what you think.

Is a different thing my friend to be affected by American style of life and be Greek or Turk or Pakistani and is a different thing to be affected by American life style and be NOBODY -be a "CYPRIOT"


CORRECTION:be nobody-be a today's Cypriot
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