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[GAVCARoCOM]

if ataturk was a jew then thats even better for us because turkey will have better relations with usa and russia .

The truth that jews are the rulers in this world

[denizaksulu]

I've never heard Freemasons boasting about anything to do with freemasonry ~~ my statement to aida was to advise him that I didn't need his wikipedia generated advice about Freemasons as I am one.

Freemasonry is not a secret organisation ~~ there's lots of info on the net including the obligations and ceremonies attached to the degrees up to becoming a master mason so it's hardly secret .

The general line of thinking is that Freemasonry is an organisation that has a few secrets including those of recognition of a fellow mason and is not a secret organization

Anybody can visit the Grand Lodge in Great Queen street in London and guided tours are arranged daily ~ so not very secret really.

To be honest it's more like a gentleman's club ~ throw a couple of ancient ceremonies in and a very good meal afterwards a few drinks with good friends and there you have it ~~ nothing sinister at all ~~ all good fun and seems to keep the older generation very mentally active too.

A hell of a lot is done by Freemasons for charity which is often forgotten by critics of Freemasonry.

Bill

Thanks Bill. I've readthe Brotherhood long ago. Now if MK Ataturk was indeed a freemason, good for him.

I Read that Mustafa Kemal was a charitable person (not Turkish sources). As an officer he would often pay for clothes and food for his own soldiers, out of his own pocket when the often absent , soldiers pay did not arrive.

[zan]

I got my first Masonic handshake a few months ago at a bar mitzvah party. At first I was offended because this particular lodges handshake consisted of sticking his middle finger in the palm of my hand as we shook...Obviously not many Cypriots in that lodge to warn them of the meaning of that profound action to us.....


I am sorry but the main reason that people join the Masons is because they are hoping to do well in business and a hell of a lot of work comes your way when you are elected in....... When this person realised that I was not Jewish...He soon lost interest.


As to the two clowns that were sent here to take the pressure off TPap by getting us to talk about the ridiculous accusations against Attaturk then think again....Sorry Tpap.....Zan is backkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk

[Kifeas]

Whether Kemal was a Jew and /or a gay and /or a freemason and /or a drunkard and /or womanizer, etc, or none of them at all; is absolutely totally irrelevant, as it was his personal issues and life! What is important today is to recognize the fact that he was a dictator; but even more important is to recognize and accept the fact that Turkey’s currently practiced ruling ideology -the one bearing his name, is a totalitarian, nationalistic, militaristic and a largely anachronistic one! It bears most of the ingredients and boarders that of fascism itself!

http://www.secularhumanism.org/library/ ... t_23_2.htm

[shahmaran]

What would you have prefered, the Ottoman Empire?

[denizaksulu]

Whether Kemal was a Jew and /or a gay and /or a freemason and /or a drunkard and /or womanizer, etc, or none of them at all; is absolutely totally irrelevant, as it was his personal issues and life! What is important today is to recognize the fact that he was a dictator; but even more important is to recognize and accept the fact that Turkey’s currently practiced ruling ideology -the one bearing his name, is a totalitarian, nationalistic, militaristic and a largely anachronistic one! It bears most of the ingredients and boarders that of fascism itself!

http://www.secularhumanism.org/library/ ... t_23_2.htm

What you give with one hand you take with the other. I am not going to argue as to your definition of a 'dictato' , whats the point arguing with a GC on the subject. What matters is what he achieved for the Turkish people and how much he was loved by a vast majority of the Turkish people.
It is sad that YOU have to categorise people and malign them.

MK must have been the most popular'dictator' who has ever lived.

The people needed such a strong hand to redirect them to 'betterment'.

[BC Numismatics]

Deniz,Ataturk was very authoritarian,but Pakistan's founder,Quaid-i-Azam Mohammed Ali Jinnah (who was the first Governor-General of the Dominion of Pakistan from Independence in August 1947 until his death in late 1948) is remembered as a national hero.Interestingly,Jinnah's descendants live in India.

Here's a link; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammed_Ali_Jinnah .

Aidan.

[shahmaran]

And what Ataturk is not remembered as a national hero? They dont just name people as "the father of all Turks" for the sake of it.

You really have to stop trying to understand everything through Wikipedia mate...

[denizaksulu]

Deniz,Ataturk was very authoritarian,but Pakistan's founder,Quaid-i-Azam Mohammed Ali Jinnah (who was the first Governor-General of the Dominion of Pakistan from Independence in August 1947 until his death in late 1948) is remembered as a national hero.Interestingly,Jinnah's descendants live in India.

Here's a link; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammed_Ali_Jinnah .

Aidan.

Aidan, What many people do not understand is the effect of islam on the Turkish people at the time. What they needed was what you call an 'authoritarian' hand to wake them up from there deep ISLAM INDUCED SLUMBER.
MKemal is not only a great Military hero for his people but also a great leader as well. Outsiders would never understand that and only go by dictionary definitions.
I wish somebody would read what Ernest Hemingway wrote of the Great man. and I am not talking of the Snows of the Kilimanjaro.

[74LB]

Man, where do you start with this rubbish thread.......

''Kemal Ataturk secret jew''

This one from Cliff.... and your point is?

And this gem from Irresistable......

Mustafa Kemal had never had any children because he was Gay.

And your point was?

Come on now.... maybe he wasn't a man neither but a woman who took to her grave her greatest secret.....

Is this forum a safe haven for racists and idiots of all persuasions?

100% agree.........what is it with this whole thread ?

It doesn't matter what anyone says, if you are Turkish or Turkish Cypriot then Mustafa Kemal is "the Father of all Turks" and no slur on his name or achievements will make this any different.

In 1934 Atatürk wrote a tribute to the ANZACs killed at Gallipoli:

Those heroes that shed their blood
and lost their lives... You are
now lying in the soil of a friendly
country. Therefore rest in peace.
There is no difference between the
Johnnies and Mehmets to us
where they lie side by side here in
this country of ours... You, the
mothers, who sent their sons from
faraway countries wipe away your
tears; Your sons are now lying in
our bosom and are in peace. After
having lost their lives on this land
they have become our sons as well.
Kemal Atatürk