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[BC Numismatics]

Shahmaran,I am very angry with my country's politicians who lie to the world by claiming to be a democracy,yet they persist in maintaining relations with some of the worst human rights abusers - Turkey,Iran,China,& North Korea.

We New Zealanders now enjoy far fewer rights than we did 20 years ago.We don't even get to vote for nearly half the members of Parliament,as they're appointed by the political parties themselves.Race relations between Maoris & British New Zealanders are still not good.I don't blame those New Zealanders who've left with the intention of never coming back.

Things were pretty bad when Sir Michael Hardie Boys became Governor-General of New Zealand in 1996.He was the one I served under whenever he needed me.I was finally retired in early 2001 when I was 24.I've been pretty unhappy since then,considering the fact that my nerves are pretty well shot.

The Cypriot people have much in common with New Zealanders.After all,both Cyprus & New Zealand are member states of the British Commonwealth.It's a pity that Turkey won't butt out of Cyprus' own internal affairs.

Aidan.

[shahmaran]

Its funny that you care so much about human rights yet you are so fond of the biggest human rights abusers in human history, the British Commonwealth, you don't make sense, plus never mind your old fashioned biblical quotes, you are also very young to have such nervous breakdowns over these matters, i don't think you are serious my friend, you are just blatantly having a laugh.

If you don't think Turkey should be in Cyprus then what the hell are you doing in New Zealand, those are not your lands are they? I honestly cannot help but see the English speaking people from the Colonial lands as nothing but British people who have been on holiday for way too long and hardly native to their lands, in fact if i had to choose a few aspects of human history that i despise so passionately, European Colonialism would be right up there along with Christianity and Islam.

I mean just look at what the bastards have done to my country!!!

[BC Numismatics]

Shahmaran,unlike the Turkish occupation forces & the settlers who was imported from Anatolia,I was born in my country.

You're obviously forgetful.The British were the first colonial power to ban slavery - in 1807 within the U.K. & in 1833 in the British Empire.

If the British had not taken over New Zealand,then the French would have,& ruled brutally.

The British did a lot of good,especially in countries like India,whose system of government remains very strong.Cyprus also has a very strong system of government,thanks to the British.

As for your remark about the British Commonwealth being a serious human rights abuser,that is where you are seriously ill-informed.Firstly,the British Commonwealth is an alliance like the U.N..Unlike the E.U.,there is no all-British Commonwealth legislature & legal system.

The British Commonwealth began to become less British in 1995,when the British Commonwealth Heads Of Government Meeting,which was held in Auckland,New Zealand,decided to allow Cameroon (mostly a former French colony) & Mozambique (entirely a former Portuguese colony) to join,a decision,which,in my view is an insane one.Now there is talk of Rwanda (a former Belgian colony) wanting to join up.

Here's a link that will be right up your street,as it were; www.thecommonwealth.org .

Aidan.

[shahmaran]

Well if being born in a place alone makes you native then everyone in Turkey and Cyprus are also natives, on the other hand, coincidentally, I'm reading a book called the "Imperial Reckoning" and it puts forwards PLENTY of evidence to suggest otherwise, you would be surprised to see - just like the other European countries- what true exploiting scumbags the British Empire were and the amount of genocides they got under their carpet, the Ottomans would be angels compared to them. Also if you think Cyprus has a strong governmental system then i suggest you read more about it to see how we actually came where we are right now and what dirty games the British played here for their own benefit, just like they did elsewhere, however, judging by the amount of racism, sexism and religious fundamentalism in your words, i wouldn't be surprised if you actually fully support all this regardless of its consequences on the natives of all these lands.

[BC Numismatics]

Shahmaran,there were some extremely misguided policies that were enacted,but those were the way that things were done.All colonial powers have had their faults.

Here in New Zealand,if it hadn't been for the British,the Maoris themselves would still be fighting among themselves.

In Cyprus' case,the British took over Cyprus in 1878,as the Ottoman Empire was effectively bankrupt (due to the Russo-Turkish War of 1876-78),& neglected the welfare of the Cypriot people.It wasn't the British who advocated Greece & Turkey having a say in Cyprus' internal affairs.It was both the Greek & Turkish Governments themselves that forced the British Government to agree to inserting a clause into the Cyprus Independence Agreement of 1959.That is why both Greece & Turkey have a lot to answer for for using Cyprus as a pawn in their petty game.

The way to solve the Cyprus Problem is to strengthen the role of the British Commonwealth in the process.As for the U.K. ceding the Sovereign Base Areas at Akrotiri & Dhekelia,they've offered to cede some territory back to the Republic of Cyprus,but it would only occur if Cyprus became a federal republic,not a banana republic like Turkey is.

Aidan.

[shahmaran]

The British didnt exactly "take over" but the island was, i believe, rented to them by the Ottomans and yes they did play a big role in dividing the island when they had to leave, and to be honest if there is one thing worse then becoming Greek or annexed to Turkey, that is being a part of some scummy British system, i say fuck them! Who the hell are they to come intervene in our business, just like they did to the Maoris and every other native tribe they forced into extinction, who the hell is the US to fly over here and tell the Iraqis how to live, no one does anything for free, specially not "bringing democracy" or "bringing civilisation" in the case of the British, and the price is usually having these imperialist twats sucking your blood for the rest of your life, and Turkey managed to resists this quite strongly, so it is far from being a banana republic my friend, its one of the few countries who managed to expel the Imperialist vampires, i feel sorry for anyone who had to bend over to the British and their likes.

[Cliff]

HERE IT IS, THE TRUTH

WITHOUT PREJUDICE

MR 'FOUNDER OF TURKEY' WAS A MAN WHO KISSED JEWISH ASS, THE REASON HE WAS A FREEMASON, THE FREEMASONS WORSHIP A 'GREAT ARCHITECT' WHERE ALL RELIGONS ARE EQUAL, BUT THE JEWS ARE MORE EQUAL THAN OTHERS! THIS IS WHY THEY HATE GREEKS , WE ARE THE APOSTOLIC CHURCH, DIRECTLY FROM THEM, WITH OUR FIRST BISHOP OF CYPRUS SAINT LAZARUS, AND THEY SEE US AS A THREAT TO THE NEW WORLD ORDER, PEACE HAS NO PROFIT, USA WAS MADE WITH THE BUSINESS OF WAR, AS TURKEY

[shahmaran]

Well I'm glad you said "without prejudice", or else one would have thought otherwise

[mehmet]

HERE IT IS, THE TRUTH

Are you still here peddling your anti semitic ramblings?

[BC Numismatics]

Mehmet,Cliff hates both Jews & Muslims,as he is proving to us that he is a wanker,just like the Pope of Rome.

Aidan.