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[irresistible]

"Mustafa Kemal Was Gay"

Who cares..

maybe you don't care, but you are not the only living thing on this planet, are you!!

[BC Numismatics]

Shahmaran's just proving to us that his IQ is the same as that of a dead faggot - one that has been shot,blown up,or given the Saddam Hussein treatment.

Aidan.

[irresistible]

How do you know that Kemal Ataturk was a faggot? We all know that Adolf Hitler was most DEFINITELY a faggot.

Aidan.

We know Jewish Mustafa Kemal was Gay from his wife's personal memoirs and from the accounts of the people who lived during his time.

this is not new. it was known already and the secularists tried to conceal it from public for years.

http://m-kemal.blogspot.com

[irresistible]

Ataturk was married,but he never had any children,so he could not have passed on any anti-Muslim sentiments.

Aidan.

Mustafa Kemal had never had any children because he was Gay.

The above article mentions about Mustafa Kemal's father passing on his anti-Muslim sentiments to Mustafa Kemal, which is reasonable.. it relates Mustafa Kemal's islamophobic actions to his Jewish father.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToFKqLy4yTQ

http://M-Kemal.blogspot.com

There were many intellectuals, enlightened and patriotic people who saw Islam as a backward influence on the Ottoman Empire. These people were mostly German or French educated. This would have been a reason for anti Islamic sentiments and it is wrong to assume that these people are Jews or non-Moslem.

we might have assumed his anti islamic sentiments being from his german or french educational background if here were not Jewish.

no one is asserting him being Jewish from his behavior, but his actions just support his Jewishness. The fact -which can't be changed- is that he was Jewish, and the kemalist regime is still trying to conceal it from the world.. but truth is coming out..:

Various historians such as the late Rabbi Dr. Joachim Prinz have written that Mustafa Kemal Ataturk was of Spanish Jewish Ancestry. His ancestors fled Spain during the Spanish Inquisition. In the book Prinz writes about the Jewish community of Thessalonica (now in Greece) where Mustafa Kemal Ataturk was born. Many of the policies of Ataturk have supported the claims that he was Jewish such as his strong Anti-Islamic secularization program in Turkey, the conversion of the Turkish Alphabet from Arabic script to the Latin alphabet, and the end of the Caliphate.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Politi ... _Relations

irresistible, ain't it!

http://M-Kemal.blogspot.com

[irresistible]

Man, where do you start with this rubbish thread.......

''Kemal Ataturk secret jew''

This one from Cliff.... and your point is?

And this gem from Irresistable......

Mustafa Kemal had never had any children because he was Gay.

And your point was?

Our point is.. that dictator Mustafa Kemal was Gay and Jew.. and you have been brainwashed. got it now?

http://M-Kemal.blogspot.com

[mehmet]

Our point is.. that dictator Mustafa Kemal was Gay and Jew.. and you have been brainwashed. got it now?

No.... the point is I and my guess is most people don't give a ..... Only those with a prejudice or historical grudge do. Nothing will diminish his achievements to Turkish people, least of all post dated gossip. And I also know he liked a drink before someone starts another rubbish thread.

[tessintrnc]

If nothing else, one thing really sticks in my mind, the fact that he gave women the vote in Turkey :

1. Before they asked for it
2. Before England did!!!!

Whether he was Jewish, gay, alchoholic is irrelevant when you look at his achievements. I admire him, and although he never had his own children he adopted several daughters and gave them a good, modern education. In an interview one of those daughters said he was a WONDERFUL Father!!! And thats good enough for me.
Tess

[karma]

If nothing else, one thing really sticks in my mind, the fact that he gave women the vote in Turkey :

1. Before they asked for it
2. Before England did!!!!

Whether he was Jewish, gay, alchoholic is irrelevant when you look at his achievements. I admire him, and although he never had his own children he adopted several daughters and gave them a good, modern education. In an interview one of those daughters said he was a WONDERFUL Father!!! And thats good enough for me.
Tess

Totaly agreed, otherwise why Venizelos would suggest him for Nobel Prize candidate just after the horrible years of 1919-1922 ??

[CopperLine]

This whole thread reeks of an anti-semitism, beginning with the title.

If you actually read the first accompanying text in which Ben-Avi claims to have had a conversation with Mustafa Kemal (was he actually in Jerusalem in 1911 ?) this is what the latter says : "I'm a descendant of Sabbetai Zevi - not indeed a Jew any more, but an ardent admirer of this prophet of yours." [my emphasis]

So, even by his own alleged words, not a Jew and not a secret. I could be described as an ardent admirer of Jacob and Judas that doesn't make me a Jew; I could be described as an ardent admirer of Loyola and John XXIII that doesn't make me a Catholic; I could be described as an ardent admirer of Wycliffe and More that doesn't make me a Protestant, secret or otherwise.

As someone already mentioned in this thread, it would be astonishing if a native of late nineteenth century Salonika didn't have some Jewish ancestry (by belief or family lineage) indeed extended family. Take a look at Mark Mazower's brilliant biography of the city, Salonica - absolutely amazing. rich history in both its Byzantine and Ottoman periods.

Furthermore, the new Turkey had a unrivalled reputation in giving protection to Jews persecuted in Christian and fascist Europe. Many of the political founders of Israel, plus leading scientists of the '20s and '30s were offered sanctuary in Istanbul. But this is no more evidence that Ataturk was Jewish than Blair gave (selective) exile to Iraqis or Russians makes him an Arab or Russian.

People are seeking conspiracy where there is none. They're seeking 'secret' histories when real histories are more than adequate to explain a course of events.

What is the underlying motive of those who wish to describe Mustafa Kemal as a Jew, as gay, as an alcholic, as .... whatever ? Their underlying assumption is that any of these descriptions will trigger the prejudiced horror and outrage of other fellow ignorant bigots. Reference by these people to 'Jew', 'gay' 'alcholic' are just red rag words - they're not designed to clarify or explain they're designed to incite bgotry.

For me if he was Jewish, great. If he was gay, be proud. If he was an alcoholic, a misfortune.

Wikipedia "irrisistable" ? You've got to be kidding ! The wikipedia article that is cited is simple rubbish : If evidence of being Jewish is taken from secular ambitions and the modernisation of ascript - that's what the article says - then most of the bloody world is Jewish. Bad history, bad logic - but that's wikipedia for you.

[shahmaran]

Yes, i know where irresistible got all this information from, he pulled it right out of Numfucks ass, that's where he always finds similar type of crap too, insulting Turks or gays or ideas or any other nation that doesnt aggree with his anal views, and the best part is that he always tries to justify it with ridiculous quotes from the Book of Retards, way to go guys, you two make a great couple