halil wrote:
Halil says :We are only demanding our proper share only. Nothing more and nothing less
And Kifeas says that your above claim only proves what a big hypocrite and a liar you are! No Halil, you are not simply demanding your “proper” share! You are demanding way more than that, all in the expense of the GCs! Of course there is always the possibility that with the word “proper,” you mean what you consider as “proper” for a Turk, always according to the parameters of your “father” who claimed that “one Turk equals the whole world! Otherwise you would have used the word “fair,” instead of proper!
halil wrote:
İt is none of your business if i like Atatürk or not.
Of course it is none of my business if you worship and deify Atatürk! I already mentioned this earlier, in another post in this thread where I said that
Kifeas wrote:
In that respect, I do have every right to speak about kemalism, and to point out its shortcomings and the fact that it is completely and grossly unsuitable for Cyprus! I do however respect the TC’s right to honor and celebrate Kemal Ataturk as a national hero of themselves; to the extent they consider themselves as Turks, even in a cultural sense! What they have no right is to use state mechanisms to institutionally impose his ideology, in a multicultural Cyprus -a separate and different nation-state to that of Turkey!
http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.p ... 522#238522What I criticize is not Ataturk on a personal level, and if your English weren’t as bad as it seems, you would have been able to grasp it! What I criticize is a.) the ideology deriving from his name, i.e. Kemalism, as it is practice until nowadays in Turkey, and b.) the “cult of personality” maintained around his name and façade! Both of these issues are not necessarily Ataturk’s initiatives, as such! He is dead anyway! They are instead practices institutionalized and maintained by the ruling Turkish elites and the military, nowadays!
halil wrote:
No one forcing you like it or not .
Yes you do, and this proves once more what a hypocrite you are to claim that you want a solution in Cyprus! You voted “yes” to the Anan plan, and you even have the audacity to criticize the GCs for not doing so, in which you wanted to force upon the GCs that would have returned back into their ancestral places in the north, the acceptance, the liking and worshiping of Ataturk and kemalism!
This is what you have included in the Anan plan constitution of the so-called TC constituent state; so that you read and learn what a hypocrite you are to claim that you respect the GC’s right not to like him, whereas in reality you have tried to force him upon us!
Read my little hypocrite friend, how you have tried to enforce Ataturk and kemalism on us, the GCs that would have returned back to their country in the north out of which we were illegally expelled in 1974!
Page 28 of the Anan plan constitution for the “TCCS” wrote:
Right to Education and Training
Article 65
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(4) It shall be one of the primary duties of the State to provide for the educational and training needs of the people. The State shall carry out this duty in accordance with the principles and reforms of Atatürk, within a framework embellished with universal and national culture and human values, and in such a planned manner, as to meet the demands of the age and of technological progress as well as the demands and the needs of the individual and the community.
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You made a constitution for the state in which GCs would also be citizens and inhabitants of it, that would have made our children in school to gather every morning, raise the Turkish flag and shout slogans like “Ne Mutlu Türküm Diyene,” because this is what is required by your children to do, within the framework of Atatürk’s principles and kemalism! You wanted our schools to have the pictures and head status of Mustafa Kemal, inside and outside the classrooms, and to be taught the “principles” of Turkish nationalism, in accordance with the above closure of the “constitution,” just like you do now in the north and just like your “motherland brothers” do in Turkey, even to the Kurdish children! You wanted to treat us like you treat the Kurds and other minorities in Turkey, in an EU member Cyprus!
Furthermore, paragraph 9 from the above article says the following:
(9) The religious minorities, namely Maronites, Latin and Armenians, living in the boundaries of the State and whose mother tongue is not Turkish have the right to receive education at the primary and secondary level in their native language. This right is regulated by law. However, in such secondary schools, teaching of the Turkish language which is the official language of the State, is compulsory.
In other words, you even wanted to exclude us from the right to have education in our own native language, as this right was only reserved for the Maronites, Latin and Armenians, but not the Greek Cypriots! Just like your Kemalist “motherland brothers” do in Turkey, against the Kurdish citizens of Turkey!
Page 36 of the Anan plan constitution for the “TCCS” wrote:Taking the Oath
Article 88
The deputies shall take the following oath before assuming their duties:
“I do swear upon my honour and dignity that I shall preserve the existence, rights and sovereignly exercised powers of the State within the United Cyprus Republic; that I shall be bound by the principle of the supremacy of law and by the principles of a democratic secular State, social justice and the principles of Atatürk; that I shall work for the welfare and happiness of my people; that I shall not depart from the ideal that every citizen must benefit from human rights and that I shall remain loyal to the Constitution.”
Every GC living in the north as citizen of the “TCCS,” that would have chosen to be elected as deputy in the local parliament of this part of his country, would have been forced to take an oath in Ataturk’s name, i.e. in the name of the founder of another foreign nation state, Turkey, and in the name of the father of Turkish nationalism! What a hypocrisy Halil, to claim that you wanted a reunited Cyprus and that you do not want to enforce Ataturk on the GCs, and yet you have voted for the adoption of the Anan plan and the above “constitution!” What an insincere and a hypocrite you and the rest of the TCs are! Hypocrites!
Furthermore, you claim that the Anan plan you have voted for, was not a partition plan, but a reunification plan, and that a certain percentage of GCs would have had the right to return back to their homelands in the north from which they were legally expelled in 1974. In reality, you wanted to discourage them to even attempt o do so, for they would have had no cultural rights and would have been treated as second class citizens, just like your Kemalist “motherland brothers” do in Turkey against the Kurdish citizens of Turkey! This is what you have included as article 1 of this “constitution!”
Page 9 of the Anan plan constitution for the “TCCS” wrote:The Form and Characteristics of the Turkish Cypriot State
Article 1
The Turkish Cypriot State, as one of the two Constituent States of the United Cyprus Republic, which is based on the political equality, bi-zonality and equal status of the two Constituent States, representing the distinct identity of Turkish Cypriots and their equal political status in a bizonal partnership. It is a secular state based on the principles of human rights, democracy, representative republican government, social justice and the supremacy of law.
You wanted half of Cyprus to become -with our signatures, an area which will represent only the distinct cultural identity of the Turkish Cypriots; and “fuck” all the rest of Cypriots and their historical, heritage, cultural and even political rights in that part of their country; yet you claim that “you are only demanding your proper share only! Nothing more and nothing less!” What a hypocrite!
halil wrote:
İf so called true Cypriots are like you . This Cyprus will see worse days in future too.
No halil, if I cannot be regarded as a true Cypriot, then there are no true Cypriots in this country, certainly neither you nor your friend Bananiot can be regard as such!
