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The document even includes a map detailing the plan of action of the Turkish invasion force. This is headed ``Map done by the Bureau of Intelligence and Research projecting Turkish moves on Cyprus, August 13, 1974.''

It is worth noting that this plan was the one followed exactly by the Turkish troops, a further proof of the close American involvement in the Turkish invasion planning.

Here is the full text of the document:

THE COUNSELOR

DEPARTMENT OF STATE

WASHINGTON

August 14, 1974

SECRET/EYES ONLY

MEMORANDUM FOR THE SECRETARY

FROM: Helmut Sonnenfeldt

SUBJECT: Cyprus Actions

You wanted some brief ideas on what we do next.

Nothing I can think of will stop the Turks now from trying to secure by force what they demanded in their ultimata. In fact, as has always been true, the only coneivable modus vivendi will have to rest on a de facto division of the island, whatever the form.

If the Turks move fast and can then be gotten to stand down, it may pre-empt Greek counteraction and then give us a chance to try for a deal. (It may also save Karamanlis).

While the Soviets can serve as a bogey, we must keep them at arms length. They cannot become the arbiter between US allies. Their interests differ drastically from ours: we want a modus vivendi between Greece and Turkey, they want a non-aligned Cyprus, preferably with Greece or Turkey or both disaffected from NATO.

Thus, we should

- urgently try to contain Greek reaction; 24 hours at a time;

- bluntly tell the Turks they must stop, today, tomorrow at the latest;

- warn the Turks that Greece is rapidly moving leftward;

- send high-level US man to Athens to exert continuing direct influence on Karamanlis;

- assuming the Turks quickly take Famagusta, privately assure Turks we will get them solution involving one third of island, within some kind of federal arrangement;

- assure Greeks we will contain Turk demands and allow no additional enclaves, etc.

You should not get involved directly till the fighting stops; then you must since there is no alternative and only we have the clout.

I do not think Brussels/NATO is the place to use when the time comes. The Greeks are probably too sore at NATO and the vehicle of a ministerial meeting is awkward. Anyway, you need Ecevit and Karamanlis.

London may be unacceptable to the Turks because of Callaghan’s blast at them.

You should not shuttle.

This may mean Geneva. Washington, at the President’s initiative, would be all right but hard to get the parties to come to. Also provocative of the Russians. New York would make it difficult to keep the Russians away.

You could also try Rome.

[GorillaGal]

ah, those evil americans at it again? this is an old dicussion. check the archives.

[phoenix]

. . . but no less relevant just because some people are already aware of it.

Maybe Turkey is not the flavour of the month with the US . . . but it WAS, and for long enough to cause a lot of damage to Cyprus. Damage that we have yet to repair.

A timely reminder of who the enemies of peace really are . . . and how far from "home" some of them are prepared to go in their meddlings. The US is just moving pieces (countries) around to suit its own game.

But what does the "Jewish" part have to do with the overall theme?

[GorillaGal]

. . . but no less relevant just because some people are already aware of it.

Maybe Turkey is not the flavour of the month with the US . . . but it WAS, and for long enough to cause a lot of damage to Cyprus. Damage that we have yet to repair.

A timely reminder of who the enemies of peace really are . . . and how far from "home" some of them are prepared to go in their meddlings. The US is just moving pieces (countries) around to suit its own game.
But what does the "Jewish" part have to do with the overall theme?

oh, and you wouldn't? Cyprus wouldn't?

[phoenix]

. . . but no less relevant just because some people are already aware of it.

Maybe Turkey is not the flavour of the month with the US . . . but it WAS, and for long enough to cause a lot of damage to Cyprus. Damage that we have yet to repair.

A timely reminder of who the enemies of peace really are . . . and how far from "home" some of them are prepared to go in their meddlings. The US is just moving pieces (countries) around to suit its own game.
But what does the "Jewish" part have to do with the overall theme?

oh, and you wouldn't? Cyprus wouldn't?

Plenty of countries exist without the need to interfere in others' affairs, GG.

Does Cyprus pick on Malta just because it's smaller?

[GorillaGal]

. . . but no less relevant just because some people are already aware of it.

Maybe Turkey is not the flavour of the month with the US . . . but it WAS, and for long enough to cause a lot of damage to Cyprus. Damage that we have yet to repair.

A timely reminder of who the enemies of peace really are . . . and how far from "home" some of them are prepared to go in their meddlings. The US is just moving pieces (countries) around to suit its own game.
But what does the "Jewish" part have to do with the overall theme?

oh, and you wouldn't? Cyprus wouldn't?

Plenty of countries exist without the need to interfere in others' affairs, GG.

Does Cyprus pick on Malta just because it's smaller?

that would be foolish.
the USA didn't get to be a super power without having their own interests in mind. and they are rather large, as countries go.

[phoenix]

. . . but no less relevant just because some people are already aware of it.

Maybe Turkey is not the flavour of the month with the US . . . but it WAS, and for long enough to cause a lot of damage to Cyprus. Damage that we have yet to repair.

A timely reminder of who the enemies of peace really are . . . and how far from "home" some of them are prepared to go in their meddlings. The US is just moving pieces (countries) around to suit its own game.
But what does the "Jewish" part have to do with the overall theme?

oh, and you wouldn't? Cyprus wouldn't?

Plenty of countries exist without the need to interfere in others' affairs, GG.

Does Cyprus pick on Malta just because it's smaller?

that would be foolish.the USA didn't get to be a super power without having their own interests in mind. and they are rather large, as countries go.

Are you suggesting it's one rule for everybody else and another rule for the States?

. . . . and you seem to be justifying the means to an end!

[GorillaGal]

. . . but no less relevant just because some people are already aware of it.

Maybe Turkey is not the flavour of the month with the US . . . but it WAS, and for long enough to cause a lot of damage to Cyprus. Damage that we have yet to repair.

A timely reminder of who the enemies of peace really are . . . and how far from "home" some of them are prepared to go in their meddlings. The US is just moving pieces (countries) around to suit its own game.
But what does the "Jewish" part have to do with the overall theme?

oh, and you wouldn't? Cyprus wouldn't?

Plenty of countries exist without the need to interfere in others' affairs, GG.

Does Cyprus pick on Malta just because it's smaller?

that would be foolish.the USA didn't get to be a super power without having their own interests in mind. and they are rather large, as countries go.

Are you suggesting it's one rule for everybody else and another rule for the States?

. . . . and you seem to be justifying the means to an end!

i am not a politician, nor do i wish to be one. it is enough that i vote. i am sorry for what happened to CY in 1974, but i was underage then, just a kid myself, and i had no say in what happened, or whom my government supported. i barely even remember it happening. at the time, i was into my own little world problems, that of my parents getting divorced, and me trying to survive the battles going on in my house.

what i am suggesting is that i believe my country did what they felt was in thier best intrest at the time. being a democracy, they are accountable to the american people, at least to those who can vote. if they were that far off base, i can only hope my people would have let thier government know about it. we are not an apathetic country.

[phoenix]

. . . but no less relevant just because some people are already aware of it.

Maybe Turkey is not the flavour of the month with the US . . . but it WAS, and for long enough to cause a lot of damage to Cyprus. Damage that we have yet to repair.

A timely reminder of who the enemies of peace really are . . . and how far from "home" some of them are prepared to go in their meddlings. The US is just moving pieces (countries) around to suit its own game.
But what does the "Jewish" part have to do with the overall theme?

oh, and you wouldn't? Cyprus wouldn't?

Plenty of countries exist without the need to interfere in others' affairs, GG.

Does Cyprus pick on Malta just because it's smaller?

that would be foolish.the USA didn't get to be a super power without having their own interests in mind. and they are rather large, as countries go.

Are you suggesting it's one rule for everybody else and another rule for the States?

. . . . and you seem to be justifying the means to an end!

i am not a politician, nor do i wish to be one. it is enough that i vote. i am sorry for what happened to CY in 1974, but i was underage then, just a kid myself, and i had no say in what happened, or whom my government supported. i barely even remember it happening. at the time, i was into my own little world problems, that of my parents getting divorced, and me trying to survive the battles going on in my house.

what i am suggesting is that i believe my country did what they felt was in thier best intrest at the time. being a democracy, they are accountable to the american people, at least to those who can vote. if they were that far off base, i can only hope my people would have let thier government know about it. we are not an apathetic country.

I am sorry to hear about your personal battles and sympathise greatly.

We are all products of our society, and the only thing I would generalise about you, as I do not know you, is that you are a true Patriot. But so are most Americans that I know. That usually gives them a romantic vision and absolvement of responsibility for the actions of the US abroad.

I too am not a politician, but I don't think running a country or taking its actions to task are just for politicians.

You have circumvented the points we are discussing in order to avoid actually coming out and criticising America.

What are you afraid of . . . surely the US is the pinnacle of Freedom for the Individual?

[umit07]

Where can we find the document mentioned at the start of this thread?