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[phoenix]

This is why Papadopoulos has been totally discredited and as such he has nothing to offer to Cyprus.

Προεκλογικός Τάσσος (16/07/2007): (Το Σχέδιο Ανάν) "δεν ήταν προσφορά λύσης. Ήταν πρόταση κατάλυσης του κράτους και διάλυσης της Κυπριακής Δημοκρατίας, με τουρκικές προδιαγραφές και πρόνοιες, που καθιστούν την Τουρκία επικυρίαρχη δύναμη, σε ολόκληρη την Κύπρο''.

Τάσσος (11/10/2004): "Το τέλος του δρόμου [...] θα είναι μονάχα μια δίκαιη, λειτουργική και βιώσιμη λύση του κυπριακού προβλήματος, βασισμένη σε μια τροποποιημένη και συμπεφωνημένη εκδοχή του σχεδίου Ανάν 5".

Tassos, 16/7/2007: The Annan Plan was not an offer for solution. It was a proposition for the dissolution of the Cyprus Republic, with Turkish specifications that make Turkey the sovereign rulerof the whole of Cyprus.

Tassos, 11/10/2007: At the end of the road will be a just, functional and viable solution based on a modified and agreed version of Annan Plan no. 5.

In 2003, Denktash was saying exactly the same things as Papadopoulos is saying today. He even sent a letter to Papadopoulos asking him to agree for a completely new basis for the negotiations and he threw in Varosha on top. Papadopoulos flatly refused and swore alliance to the Annan Plan! Phoenix thinks that Papadopoulos simply changed his mind since then and that only a great man is capable of such adaptability. Those that know Papadopoulos since 1960 (as Christofias found out recently) know that Papadopoulos does not change his mind. The man has not changed one iota. He is a fervent supporter of the Dounta doctrine (my idea is that Dountas said aloud what Papadopoulos was contempleting all along) and he will not have a solution that recognises the Turkish community as politically equal to us.

Bananiot, hhmm, hhmm, you have the dates wrong again dear.

And I did not go as far as to say he "changed his mind", merely that he chooses the best option for Cyprus at whatever time. In other words, he cares more about governing the country on the right course of action than being inflexible, and hence perfectly quotable!

To me governing is more important than imagery!

[Bananiot]

Apologies, won't do it again. It's a promise!

So, you are saying that he was doing what was best for Cyprus in October 2004, that is, asking for some changes to Annan Plan 5 and now, three years later he is again doing what is best, by declaring that the Plan was the sure way to the dissolution of the Republic?

Isn't this the reason why we have been thrown into complete isolation and we are the dark ship of Europe. The mention of Cyprus brings chuckles at best, in Brussels.

[phoenix]

Apologies, won't do it again. It's a promise!

So, you are saying that he was doing what was best for Cyprus in October 2004, that is, asking for some changes to Annan Plan 5 and now, three years later he is again doing what is best, by declaring that the Plan was the sure way to the dissolution of the Republic?

Isn't this the reason why we have been thrown into complete isolation and we are the dark ship of Europe. The mention of Cyprus brings chuckles at best, in Brussels.

I'm just reading a book called "Why Men Don't Listen & Women Can't Read Maps" by Allan and B. Pease . . . . I thoroughly recommend it Bananiot

Maybe I need an analogy: If you were offered a work contract and you asked for changes to the conditions . . . but they had still not been met, then you would walk away and look for an alternative, wouldn't you?

That is what Papadopoulos did! He was unhappy with the wording, it did not fulfill its promise, had hidden loopholes etc. . . . so he was a big enough man that he did not worry about losing face and said "NO" (thank you!) and walked away.

You probably know better what people chuckle about in Brussels, but I go by: "he who laughs last, laughs longest" . . . and eventually the right plan for Cyprus will be forged.

[denizaksulu]

Apologies, won't do it again. It's a promise!

So, you are saying that he was doing what was best for Cyprus in October 2004, that is, asking for some changes to Annan Plan 5 and now, three years later he is again doing what is best, by declaring that the Plan was the sure way to the dissolution of the Republic?

Isn't this the reason why we have been thrown into complete isolation and we are the dark ship of Europe. The mention of Cyprus brings chuckles at best, in Brussels.

I'm just reading a book called "Why Men Don't Listen & Women Can't Read Maps" by Allan and B. Pease . . . . I thoroughly recommend it Bananiot

Maybe I need an analogy: If you were offered a work contract and you asked for changes to the conditions . . . but they had still not been met, then you would walk away and look for an alternative, wouldn't you?

That is what Papadopoulos did! He was unhappy with the wording, it did not fulfill its promise, had hidden loopholes etc. . . . so he was a big enough man that he did not worry about losing face and said "NO" (thank you!) and walked away.

You probably know better what people chuckle about in Brussels, but I go by: "he who laughs last, laughs longest" . . . and eventually the right plan for Cyprus will be forged.

Amen/Amin to that.

[phoenix]

Apologies, won't do it again. It's a promise!

So, you are saying that he was doing what was best for Cyprus in October 2004, that is, asking for some changes to Annan Plan 5 and now, three years later he is again doing what is best, by declaring that the Plan was the sure way to the dissolution of the Republic?

Isn't this the reason why we have been thrown into complete isolation and we are the dark ship of Europe. The mention of Cyprus brings chuckles at best, in Brussels.

I'm just reading a book called "Why Men Don't Listen & Women Can't Read Maps" by Allan and B. Pease . . . . I thoroughly recommend it Bananiot

Maybe I need an analogy: If you were offered a work contract and you asked for changes to the conditions . . . but they had still not been met, then you would walk away and look for an alternative, wouldn't you?

That is what Papadopoulos did! He was unhappy with the wording, it did not fulfill its promise, had hidden loopholes etc. . . . so he was a big enough man that he did not worry about losing face and said "NO" (thank you!) and walked away.

You probably know better what people chuckle about in Brussels, but I go by: "he who laughs last, laughs longest" . . . and eventually the right plan for Cyprus will be forged.

Amen/Amin to that.

Hello . . . glad to see you did not fall asleep at the wheel

[Bananiot]

Well, it so happens, I have just finished reading a book called "For Your Freedom and Ours: The Kosciuszko Squadron - Forgotten Heroes of World War II" by Lynne Olson and Stanley Cloud. It is the real story of Poland and it describes how eastern Poland was lost because of the power games at the time.

If we do not behave rationally and we foolishly think that we can trick the stupid Franks, I think we will lose Cyprus, forever. This message has been conveyed to us quite clearly and it remains to be seen if we are wise enough to take the needed steps to save our country.

[phoenix]

Well, it so happens, I have just finished reading a book called "For Your Freedom and Ours: The Kosciuszko Squadron - Forgotten Heroes of World War II" by Lynne Olson and Stanley Cloud. It is the real story of Poland and it describes how eastern Poland was lost because of the power games at the time.

If we do not behave rationally and we foolishly think that we can trick the stupid Franks, I think we will lose Cyprus, forever. This message has been conveyed to us quite clearly and it remains to be seen if we are wise enough to take the needed steps to save our country.

OK, your book is more intellectually heavyweight than my book

But now, after the war, Poland is whole and in Europe, so how does it relate to Cyprus? . . . other than just suggesting power games, which are inevitable. On that note, it would appear that Papadopoulos is not a victim nor susceptible to these power games, since he said "NO" when the powers that be, were trying to force him to say "YES".

So, Bananiot you are supplying more worthwhile credentials for Mr Papadopoulos.

A review of your book (which did not help me, but sounds like the sort of thing my hubby would enjoy, so thanks for the Xmas pressie suggestion ) :

Nine men of the Kosciuszko Squadron had become aces in the Battle of Britain, including Urbanowicz, and the squadron had shot down 14 Luftwaffe planes just on the first day of the Blitz. Yet in the haste to cozy up to the Soviets they were abandoned after the war. Even Churchill, whose romantic streak Poland and these Poles in particular appealed to, apparently felt no compunction about bargaining away Polish territory or even freedom in his talks with Stalin. And, once Churchill was gone from power, the British government made it clear that the two hundred thousand Polish refugees were no longer welcome, competing for scarce jobs, and should return posthaste to their homeland, even if it was oppressed. One finishes the book filled with admiration for Poland and her idealistic, resilient people--their motto, "For Your Freedom and Ours"--and deeply ashamed of the Anglosphere, which in its hurry to end WWII left the job undone and an invaluable ally under the jackbooted Soviet heel. Ms Olson and Mr. Cloud have done the Poles and the cause of honest history-telling a great service.

[denizaksulu]

Apologies, won't do it again. It's a promise!

So, you are saying that he was doing what was best for Cyprus in October 2004, that is, asking for some changes to Annan Plan 5 and now, three years later he is again doing what is best, by declaring that the Plan was the sure way to the dissolution of the Republic?

Isn't this the reason why we have been thrown into complete isolation and we are the dark ship of Europe. The mention of Cyprus brings chuckles at best, in Brussels.

I'm just reading a book called "Why Men Don't Listen & Women Can't Read Maps" by Allan and B. Pease . . . . I thoroughly recommend it Bananiot

Maybe I need an analogy: If you were offered a work contract and you asked for changes to the conditions . . . but they had still not been met, then you would walk away and look for an alternative, wouldn't you?

That is what Papadopoulos did! He was unhappy with the wording, it did not fulfill its promise, had hidden loopholes etc. . . . so he was a big enough man that he did not worry about losing face and said "NO" (thank you!) and walked away.

You probably know better what people chuckle about in Brussels, but I go by: "he who laughs last, laughs longest" . . . and eventually the right plan for Cyprus will be forged.

Amen/Amin to that.

Hello . . . glad to see you did not fall asleep at the wheel

No no no. Amy MacDonald keeps me company in the morning.So when I am am thinking of the two Tpaps, and money wasted on flags, she calms me down. She is a great young lass. Have you had the pleasure yet? I have worn it out. Even my wife likes her.

[phoenix]

Apologies, won't do it again. It's a promise!

So, you are saying that he was doing what was best for Cyprus in October 2004, that is, asking for some changes to Annan Plan 5 and now, three years later he is again doing what is best, by declaring that the Plan was the sure way to the dissolution of the Republic?

Isn't this the reason why we have been thrown into complete isolation and we are the dark ship of Europe. The mention of Cyprus brings chuckles at best, in Brussels.

I'm just reading a book called "Why Men Don't Listen & Women Can't Read Maps" by Allan and B. Pease . . . . I thoroughly recommend it Bananiot

Maybe I need an analogy: If you were offered a work contract and you asked for changes to the conditions . . . but they had still not been met, then you would walk away and look for an alternative, wouldn't you?

That is what Papadopoulos did! He was unhappy with the wording, it did not fulfill its promise, had hidden loopholes etc. . . . so he was a big enough man that he did not worry about losing face and said "NO" (thank you!) and walked away.

You probably know better what people chuckle about in Brussels, but I go by: "he who laughs last, laughs longest" . . . and eventually the right plan for Cyprus will be forged.

Amen/Amin to that.

Hello . . . glad to see you did not fall asleep at the wheel

No no no. Amy MacDonald keeps me company in the morning.So when I am am thinking of the two Tpaps, and money wasted on flags, she calms me down. She is a great young lass. Have you had the pleasure yet? I have worn it out. Even my wife likes her.

No sorry . . . she's too sensible for me . I am more Amy Whinehouse
Enough fun for one morning, I must away and gather pollen . . . . byeee!

[Daemon]

But now, after the war, Poland is whole and in Europe, so how does it relate to Cyprus? . . . other than just suggesting power games, which are inevitable. On that note, it would appear that Papadopoulos is not a victim nor susceptible to these power games, since he said "NO" when the powers that be, were trying to force him to say "YES".

No one was trying to force him for a shit, he was the one who was saying what he will accept the plan (and was loosing negotiation ground for that), he was the one who gave only 6 issues to the arbitration of Anan (where all of the 6 issues were covered by the black guy) where actually if he was not a piece of shit ready to sell his country because of his racist believes, he was in the most advantage negotiation position that Cyprus will EVER be. Where he could threat Europe (yes threats may have some use if they have a real and possible objective) and present the rejection reality to them when Europe could do something and not fraud them with bullshits and come after the bullshit and unreasonable rejection to threat them!!! The man should suicide if he care fo something beyond his egomania.