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[Nikitas]

Daemon

Turkey thinks of itself first and everyone second and it uses all means to this end. We (the Greek side in general) think that we can counter this attitude by projecting our just cause. This does not work with Europeans and Anglosaxons. They are not into dialectic discourse.

The Annan plan with that map was a trap. In any future dispute the Turks and the British could cut off the eastern part of the Greek Cypriot Component state and then automatically the Greek Cypriot part would be the smallest part of the island. Cutting off is simple- in case of a dispute or other distubrance that might lead to an outbreak of violence the British simply prohibit the passage through their sovereign base area and that is it, Famagusa district cut off and cannot be resupplied.

Annan specifically mentions in his plan that the Old Nicosia Famagusta road would be within the Turkish Cypriot Component state, and mentioned that there could be overpasses or underpasses etc linking the two parts of the GCS. THis is not how free countries are set up.

You are either independent and free or you are not. Until there is a plan that establishes a free and independent Cyprus the problem will be there. To be free and independent first you must grow up and stop relying on false hopes like "allies", "friends" and above all "motherlands" and "guarantor powers".

To get there you remember the old rule - I eleftheria thelei areti kai tolmi. Once you apply this rule everything else falls into place.

[Daemon]

The Annan plan with that map was a trap. In any future dispute the Turks and the British could cut off the eastern part of the Greek Cypriot Component state and then automatically the Greek Cypriot part would be the smallest part of the island. Cutting off is simple- in case of a dispute or other distubrance that might lead to an outbreak of violence the British simply prohibit the passage through their sovereign base area and that is it, Famagusa district cut off and cannot be resupplied.

The plan was not a trap, you just have bud sleeps and nightmares (maybe about bud supernatural Jews or something) and you can’t pass through reason what you say because there is some believing trap in your mind. You can have your own nightmares but you have also to choose were you will live in reality or on nightmares that you don’t actually can prove even to your self. And I’ve answered in the past on the entity of this nightmares and there is absolutely zero reason on them.

Annan specifically mentions in his plan that the Old Nicosia Famagusta road would be within the Turkish Cypriot Component state, and mentioned that there could be overpasses or underpasses etc linking the two parts of the GCS. THis is not how free countries are set up.

This is another unreasonable and pointless nightmare, it’s like you say what there must not be any roads from one side to the other, completely meaningless.

You are either independent and free or you are not. Until there is a plan that establishes a free and independent Cyprus the problem will be there. To be free and independent first you must grow up and stop relying on false hopes like "allies", "friends" and above all "motherlands" and "guarantor powers".

You are not in any way, there are levels of freedom and virtual limits, there is no actual freedom from no one and the Cypriots today in Europe are more free than the past 2000 years and through the Anan plan they could reach the freest of their existence.

To get there you remember the old rule - I eleftheria thelei areti kai tolmi. Once you apply this rule everything else falls into place.

This is an emotion (thimiko) stupidity because there is no freedom where there are no brains.

Freedom is something our mind creates and virtually points the limits and in fact there is no actual freedom. Like Buddha said: no one is independent we are all interrelated in some way.

And I say what there is only power and only that can point the virtual limits of freedom and the biggest power of human is what it makes him better from an animal, his reason.

And yes this is passive daemon exactly like you describe him, when he will kick your ass he rules you in some level or totally because there in no end and real objective and a person can be free only if he dies and ends for the interrelated world in some way, but even for that we can’t be sure.

[Nikitas]

Daemon

"This is another unreasonable and pointless nightmare, it’s like you say what there must not be any roads from one side to the other, completely meaningless. "

have a look at the bloody map will you! Any map of Cyprus. And then we can talk. The old Nicosia road is one, there is also the new Nicosia Famagusta road. They do not go from one side to the other you burk, they run left to right on the map, they were used as handy reference points for a demarcation line on older plans. Annan cut that out by putting the old road inside the Turkish controlled area.

Areti does not cover brains?

YOu are gettinga little too mystical for me. I am not into buddhism or any other religion. Strictly an earth bound kind of chap.

[Daemon]

I do not care for your nightmares; I want the reason behind your beliefs. I want to understand why America, Europe and UN will do all this nonsense, and how your nightmares could be achieved through the Anan plan from realistic events.

Areti does not cover brains?

In the entity yes Areti (if there is any, who is enaretos? TPap?) covers the brains, but where there are no brains and actual possible objective there is not either brains or areti.

I can say what freedom want ilithiotita and tolmi and you can climb in the mountain and live with monkeys eating bananas, but even then you will have to deal with the monkeys, but you will be more free than ever because you will be the smartest and because of that the more powerful among them.

So basically freedom needs brains and power, areti (and where is that with out brains and reason?) and tolmi can’t help much.

[Get Real!]

Eat your heart out Daemon because the Green party has also just voted in favor of Tasos Papadopoulos...

[miltiades]

The Annan plan with that map was a trap. In any future dispute the Turks and the British could cut off the eastern part of the Greek Cypriot Component state and then automatically the Greek Cypriot part would be the smallest part of the island. Cutting off is simple- in case of a dispute or other distubrance that might lead to an outbreak of violence the British simply prohibit the passage through their sovereign base area and that is it, Famagusa district cut off and cannot be resupplied.

The plan was not a trap, you just have bud sleeps and nightmares (maybe about bud supernatural Jews or something) and you can’t pass through reason what you say because there is some believing trap in your mind. You can have your own nightmares but you have also to choose were you will live in reality or on nightmares that you don’t actually can prove even to your self. And I’ve answered in the past on the entity of this nightmares and there is absolutely zero reason on them.

Annan specifically mentions in his plan that the Old Nicosia Famagusta road would be within the Turkish Cypriot Component state, and mentioned that there could be overpasses or underpasses etc linking the two parts of the GCS. THis is not how free countries are set up.

This is another unreasonable and pointless nightmare, it’s like you say what there must not be any roads from one side to the other, completely meaningless.

You are either independent and free or you are not. Until there is a plan that establishes a free and independent Cyprus the problem will be there. To be free and independent first you must grow up and stop relying on false hopes like "allies", "friends" and above all "motherlands" and "guarantor powers".

You are not in any way, there are levels of freedom and virtual limits, there is no actual freedom from no one and the Cypriots today in Europe are more free than the past 2000 years and through the Anan plan they could reach the freest of their existence.

To get there you remember the old rule - I eleftheria thelei areti kai tolmi. Once you apply this rule everything else falls into place.

This is an emotion (thimiko) stupidity because there is no freedom where there are no brains.

Freedom is something our mind creates and virtually points the limits and in fact there is no actual freedom. Like Buddha said: no one is independent we are all interrelated in some way.

And I say what there is only power and only that can point the virtual limits of freedom and the biggest power of human is what it makes him better from an animal, his reason.

And yes this is passive daemon exactly like you describe him, when he will kick your ass he rules you in some level or totally because there in no end and real objective and a person can be free only if he dies and ends for the interrelated world in some way, but even for that we can’t be sure.

You are such an ignorant asshole , your knowledge of the AP plan equals that gained by a 5 year old. Arse hole pack it in you know sweet fa about the implications and the contents of the wretched plan. I have never read such garbage butt there again you are a drug bloody addict , do us all a favour and piss off , you are posting more and more shit with every post.
Piss off wanker.

[Daemon]

What a wise person you are Miltiades, you don’t have an idea about the plan, you can’t find an argument and all you can do is insulting and cursing and what now if I will not curse you back?

[Daemon]

Okay I'll describe what Nikitas say, as long you live maybe there is some hope for you.

In any future dispute the Turks and the British

How a dispute could pass through the Anan plan where there was not any possibility for a dead end, where the secession was forbidden and where the referees were the Europeans?

You are claiming what Europeans want the situation to end up in a division? and how this could happen in Europe where in the worst and impossible case we was going to resolve the main state and have two EUROPEAN counties in the limits of a confederation that Europe is. This is the worst there can be as long as Europe exists. What you suggest is what it will happen at the antichrist arrival in Cyprus. This is what you are saying.

If you are suggesting what the TC’s may wanted a country out of Europe where in an impossible nightmare way this could happen this could lead in what I’ve already said, in a collision with Europe where we was going to have more ground and they were going to take from the 3 the larger and where the blame would direct to them and they was going to continue being a ghost state with less ground.

[miltiades]

Look boy , you are posting utter irrelevances , the Plan was rejected by the overwhelming majority of the Cypriot people for whom you have , on your own admission , utter convulsion and disrespect. Do us a favour and tell us which other NATION on this planet would have have accepted the so called "Unification " plan which saw the nation permanently divided and with the majority of citizens left feeling hard done by and having the police stations of the island under the jurisdiction of the Geeks and the Turks , at least that is how I view the passage concerning the flying of the Greek flag on 50% of police stations while the other 50% would be flying the Turkish plan. Had you bothered to study the Plan and its contents regarding "ownership " of roads through out Cyprus maybe you have responded to Nikitas in a learned fashion and not with your usual denigratory "bullshit" that you seem to be full off.The Cypriot people rejected the plan , just as I did , based on the substance of the plan and the hidden dangers that were evident to all but the few , of a future conflict erupting with dire consequences results of which would have made the past conflicts fade into insignificance. THE PLAN WAS DESIGNED ON THE EXPRESSED WISHES OF TURKEY , the Cypriot negotiators under pressure from the ineffective Greeks who had as their main agenda the "washing of their hands " of the Cypriot problem AND NOT THE LEAST THE BENEFIT OF THE CYPRIOT FUTURE GENERATIONS.
The Plan was an abysmal effort and an affront to all democratically accepted norms . The Cypriot people , neither now nor in the future , will accept the permanent division of their island , as they were asked by the plan to agree to , and for Turkey to legally and PERMANENTLY control the destiny of this nation. Let me say it again , NEITHER GREECE NOR TURKEY HAVE ANY THING OTHER THAN BLOOD AND TEARS TO OFFER CYPRUS. REJECTION OF THE PLAN ENSURES THAT THEESE TWO DEVILS ADVOCATES NEVER NEVER LEGALLY BE IN CONTROL OF THE DESTINY OF OUR PEOPLE.
The T/Cs are paying heavily by accepting the Turkish agenda , it is a matter of time before the term T/C becomes another statistic on the list of endangered species. We wont let them , they are our compatriots our brothers and sisters and we demand that the T/Cs join us as free people in charge of our destiny , get rid of the motherland nonsense embrace Cypriotness and become one with the rest of Cypriots. Alas our government lacks the required determination and vision to commence a fully charged campaign to "liberate " our people from those that harmed us so much.
LONG LIVE CYPRUS AND ALL ITS PEOPLE , AND LONG MAY THE DREADFULL NONSENSE OF THE AP PLAN LAY ROTTING AWAY.

[Daemon]

Look Militiades you are an old boy that can’t make a complete thought and make an argument with acceptable sense, you should go to drink your milk and after go to bed, you can’t reject the right of free speaking and you can’t reject the right of answering to insults. If you can’t push you self to export something with any meaning the only thing you can do is insulting and cursing, so if you have nothing to offer to my above arguments, I suggest you again to drink your hot milk with chocolate with out sugar and go to bed as friendly as I can.