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Postby Kikapu » Sun Nov 18, 2007 2:18 am

Daemon wrote:
Note: I am talking about Cypriots. Turks that voted for Annan plan are not idiots for voting the Annan plan. They are idiots for thinking that we would vote for it so they would get recognition for their "TRNC"


Ohh the Turks are praying to Allah to stay in your donkey stubbornness and keep their life as easy as now. It was the biggest diplomatic win of Turkey the past 100 years.

Do you actually believe what Turkey will ever accept with out reason a solution of a plan that kicks them out of Cyprus? Keep dreaming boy.

There was a world wide activation to convince Turkey to accept this solution where America forced Europe (especially Germany that was putting veto on Cyprus accession with unsolved the Cyprus problem) just to push Turkey to accept something they didn’t ever accept in the past.


Even as a TC, I'm saying to myself "is Daemon for real" with his above statement.????
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Postby Daemon » Sun Nov 18, 2007 2:56 am

But how can you still trust that the TCs would help Cyprus, and go against Turkey? They have chosen their allegiance and they don't want to play on the same team as the GCs.


I do not trust my brother.

The TC’s were going to become Europeans (evro-peoi diladi), I’m guessing what they are donkeys but when the money speaks everyone shut up and TC’s had much to earn from being Europeans and they had common interests with GC's through the Anan plan but now they won the right to be considered as Europeans with out any fucking cost and their pockets stuffed with Euros with out any fucking cost, where we give them the right to be considered from the whole Europe as the victims(they are at some level victims of GC’s and Turkey). And I’m afraid what the Cyprus problem is in the worst situation ever and our only hope (if there is any) is the TC’s (and Americans but they can’t do a shit if there is not will from both sides) and convince them or fool them what we want to live with them and what they have something to earn from such evolvement.
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Postby Kifeas » Sun Nov 18, 2007 5:47 am

Kikapu wrote:
Daemon wrote:
Note: I am talking about Cypriots. Turks that voted for Annan plan are not idiots for voting the Annan plan. They are idiots for thinking that we would vote for it so they would get recognition for their "TRNC"


Ohh the Turks are praying to Allah to stay in your donkey stubbornness and keep their life as easy as now. It was the biggest diplomatic win of Turkey the past 100 years.

Do you actually believe what Turkey will ever accept with out reason a solution of a plan that kicks them out of Cyprus? Keep dreaming boy.

There was a world wide activation to convince Turkey to accept this solution where America forced Europe (especially Germany that was putting veto on Cyprus accession with unsolved the Cyprus problem) just to push Turkey to accept something they didn’t ever accept in the past.


Even as a TC, I'm saying to myself "is Daemon for real" with his above statement.????


No he is not! He is just reproducing in the forums all the garbage he reads in "Alithia" newspaper, the most yellow anti-papadopoullos paper in the south! :lol:
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Postby Bananiot » Sun Nov 18, 2007 8:23 am

Here is another contradiction from Papadopoulos.

Προεκλογικός Τάσσος (26/09/2007): ''Για την ακρίβεια, η κατοχική δύναμη δεν έχει επιδείξει οποιανδήποτε επιθυμία για επίλυση του προβλήματος και το γεγονός αυτό έχει ενισχυθεί από το Σχέδιο Ανάν, το οποίο ικανοποιούσε όλες τις τουρκικές επιθυμίες".

Τάσσος: (11/6/2004): "Έχουμε συνεννοηθεί μαζί με το ΑΚΕΛ ποια έκταση είναι δυνατόν να έχουν (οι αλλαγές) και έχουμε καθορίσει ότι δεν πρόκειται να γίνει επαναδιαπραγμάτευση όλου του Σχεδίου".


Tassos, 26/9/2007: The occupation force has not shown any will for the solution of the issue and this tendency has been strengthened by the Annan plan, which satisfied all the Turkish wishes.

Tassos, 11/6/2004: We have agreed with AKEL how far the changes (to the Annan Plan) will go and we have also agreed that renegotiations of the whole Plan will not take place.
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Postby Bananiot » Sun Nov 18, 2007 8:31 am

This one is a gem!

Προεκλογικός Τάσσος (3/11/2007): ''Πριν τρία χρόνια, η τεράστια πλειοψηφία του λαού μας αντέταξε ένα αξιοπρεπές και υπερήφανο "όχι" σε ένα απαράδεκτο Σχέδιο λύσης του Κυπριακού".

Τάσσος (28/09/2004): "Υποστηρίζουμε και παραμένουμε σταθεροί στη θέση ότι η λύση του Κυπριακού πρέπει να βρεθεί μέσα στα πλαίσια του σχεδίου Ανάν, για μια διζωνική, δικοινοτική ομοσπονδία".


Tassos, 3/11/2007: Three years ago, the vast majority of our people gave a proud and dignified "no" to an unacceptable solution plan to the Cyprus issue.

Tassos 28/9/2004: We support the position and we remain steadfast to the commitment that the solution to the Cyprus issue will be found within the framework of the Annan Plan, for a bizonal, bicommunal federation.
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Postby Daemon » Sun Nov 18, 2007 11:00 am

Yes everyone with brains in this shit hole is some kind of traitor or a maniac and the maniacs can’t see what is fucking OBVIOUS and what can even exported from their brainwashing media if they will stop being passive to every unreasonable bullshit.

Here is another contradiction from Papadopoulos.


He is like Bible in contradictions and in madness; he must be very good Orthodox Christian.
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Postby phoenix » Sun Nov 18, 2007 12:38 pm

It's very useful to see quotes of statements Mr Papadopoulos has made . . . so thanks to the supplier (Bananiot). :D

However the supplier does not seem to appreciate he is in fact contradicting himself.

All the "contradictory" statements so far just prove that Papadopoulos has his country's best interests at heart and where the political environment changes from year to year, he is not afraid to choose the best path for Cyprus.

I can see he was a well chosen President.

(I hope I can vote in February :? )
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Postby Daemon » Sun Nov 18, 2007 12:38 pm


Watch Turkey from a distance – nothing else

THE CONFLICT between Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan and the Turkish Army is now an undisputed fact. The crisis, however, has its roots in the past and dates back to the day when Erdogan changed his policy on the Cyprus issue immediately after his AKP party gained power. The difference was that in Cyprus the prevailing view at the time was that this change was nothing more than a communications ploy, staged with the army’s agreement.

Once the AKP won the elections, Erdogan announced his commitment to the modernisation of the country with the ultimate objective of joining the European Union. Moreover, he adopted an unprecedented moderate approach on Greek-Turkish affairs and Cyprus. He announced a new dogma of Turkish foreign policy, which held that “a non solution is not a solution,” only to receive in return the derogatory comments of outgoing foreign minister Sukru Sina Gurel who said that he had no idea of what he was talking about.

Erdogan, after vacillating for a time, adjusted to the spirit of the 1999 Helsinki Accord, which visualised: a solution of the Cyprus problem, accession of the whole of Cyprus to the EU and start of accession negotiations with Turkey.


Elsiniki passed because USA interference (and the Greek politicians that had understanding with them) to put Turkey in the biggest dilemma on their modern history.

The current crisis surrounding the election of a new President in Turkey is one that has been postponed for a long time. A clash between Erdogan and the army should have erupted in 2004, when Turkey faced a choice between either resolving the Cyprus issue or forgetting its EU aspirations. In a speech to the War Academies on March 16, 2007, General Yasar Buyukanit stated that the Turkish Army disagreed with the Annan Plan.

Moreover, the Nokta magazine recently published pages from the diary of Admiral Ozden Ornek according to which on February 5, 2004 general staff officers were discussing the staging of a coup against Erdogan
because of the latter’s support for the Annan Plan.


I consider what Turkish army had absolutely zero reason to accept the Anan plan (his friend Denktash didn’t) because they do not give a shit for Turkey accession and in fact they have their objections because they have much to loose from the politicians in such evolvement where their role in the nationalistic bullshit the have build for their deep state that can’t stay alive in Europe in any way.

On exactly the same day that the army in Turkey was talking of a coup, President Tassos Papadopoulos in Nicosia was claiming that the Erdogan initiative to solve the Cyprus problem was merely a “move to impress”.

The Cypriot President believed what was in progress was not a serious attempt to reach a solution but merely a procedure that “could only lead to the allocation of responsibilities.” Based on this naive analysis, Papadopoulos brought about the 2004 initiative.

Believing that Turkish policy on Cyprus was the exclusive prerogative of the army and Denktash, and that Erdogan’s change of stance was a “public relations trick,” – as he declared on January 28, 2004 – he tried to expose the Turkish Government by begging the UN Secretary General to call for the resumption of negotiations with the aim of having the whole of Cyprus accede to the EU on May 1, 2004. As he anxiously wrote to Annan on December 17, 2003 “we deserve another effort” and categorically assured him that he would accept his plan.


On the stupid one eye and the pathetic way that Papadopoulos understand Turkey political situation there can be found reasons of the lies and contradictions than Bananiot describes, he thought what he knows(the most of the donkey think what they knows, this is a general mentality problem of the Cypriots) and probably what he is a god sent and what he can fool Turkey (and Europe and the rest) by passing the responsibility of the rejection of BBF, I insist Papadopoulos when he become fartesitent his main aim was to kill the possibility for a BBF(not Anan plan) solution and try to pass his responsibility to Turkey and he expected what Denktash and Turkish army could save his sickness.

The Papadopoulos strategy to accept the plan solely as a means of allocating responsibility on Turkey collapsed in New York on February 12, 2004, when Erdogan imposed his own policy on Denktash. The time to settle the outstanding accounts between the army and Erdogan arrived in April 2004, when Turkey faced a dilemma: either to follow the Helsinki procedure or to accept a divorce from Europe.

In the end, Turkey was spared this dilemma. It was absolved through the handling of Papadopoulos, not so much because he rejected the plan but rather because of the way he did it. In the game of political poker, the President of Cyprus lost his credibility. The price was paid by Cyprus when, on June 6, 2004, Tassos Papadopoulos put his signature to the conclusions of the EU Council, relieving Turkey from all responsibility for the failure to find a solution.


He starting loosing his senses (if he had any) when he realize what everything he did to bury the plan was starting to come against him where he didn’t negotiate, where he thought what he knows and he was sure how the Turks may react, where he played his last card by revealing his intentions, to whom? To Denktash!!! The number one rejectonist, he turn to him in a try to save (his smelly from the farts) ass and the Turks learn what he was about to did a long before from refferandum, in this full of passive demons hell that he created the pressure he had from the doubt for his senses and his farty mental capability, drive him to cry like a pussy (passive desperate demon) in his full of shitty daemons, delirium speech. It was the time where the liar stupid passive demon confront the light and was about to vanish and he choose to save him self by passing his responsibility to the people by the best way he can, by fraud, lies and passive demons from his hell.

Cyprus put on its own shoulders a considerable burden that until then was carried by Turkey. The relief felt by the Turkish Army from this change in developments was best described in the recent interview given by Rauf Denktash: “I thank Papadopoulos (. . .) he saved us.”


Of course everything he did had turned against him and he brought the biggest diplomatic win of Turkey by his farts and he probably was capable to understand in some demonic level what he did.

The events of 2004 proved to be opportune both for the army and for Erdogan. After Athens also abandoned Helsinki, the army retained its own policy on Greek-Turkish affairs and on Cyprus. Erdogan gained additional time to settle his accounts with the army and today he is fighting his battle from a more advantageous position.


Everyone in Turkey was happy about their great and effortless victory, the army keep the Cyprus hostage geopolitical card. Erdogan keep the same card and he proved correct against the rejectonist and for sure he gain an advantage against the army.

As far as Nicosia is concerned, it has failed in its policy to check Turkey’s accession course because with the abandonment of Helsinki it has lost not only its credibility but also its allies. It is now being restricted to uneasily watch developments. When asked a relevant question, the only thing that Papadopoulos could say was: “What we are interested is to see a change in Turkey’s policy as regards the issue of Cyprus. Nothing else.”

So Turkey has to change its policy, but how? The theory on which Cypriot political analysis was founded, which held that all developments inside Turkey were remotely controlled from a central panel controlled by the army, has now being refuted.

It was the Helsinki Accord that gave Cyprus a role and a say on the course that Turkey aspired to follow. This role was lost in 2004 and the combination of historical events existing at the time has gone for ever. The only thing that Cyprus can now do is to watch developments from a distance. “Nothing else.”

Makarios Drousiotis
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06/05/2007



Papadopoulos “policy” (this person could be a full of shit Archibishop, a liar fraud layer (that he is) but he is not in any way politician) came to a humiliating defeat where the only option is the introversion and the virtual reality that chaos and unreasonable ridiculous humiliated passive daemons can produce. And their hilarious hell is amusing for the outsiders but for the insiders (especially for the remaining reasonable) is a torture.
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Postby Nikitas » Sun Nov 18, 2007 1:11 pm

Droushiotis, along with almost every single Cypriot politician and political analyst fails to think geopolitically. The opponents think primarily geopolitically in almost every aspect of the Cyprus problem. You cannot resist geopolitical thinking by projecting dialectic and nothing else.

One example- ALL the maps presented by Annan for territorial settlement in his plan show the british base of Dekhelia cutting the Greek component state in two. It stretches from the sea and touches the Turkish CS.

No Greek politician or commentator has mentioned this arrangement. No one noticed that the Greek CS was in fact split in two, and that the most valuable part, the Famagusta part was cut off from the rest by a wopping sized British base. The Turks on the other hand insisted on this arrangement, to have common borders with the Dekhelia base. And while they did this we were talking about the principles of bizonality.

Droushiotis is no better than the rest of the people who indulge in dialectic and nothing else. To put it in plain cockney- all mouth and no trousers
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Postby Daemon » Sun Nov 18, 2007 3:34 pm

Droushiotis, along with almost every single Cypriot politician and political analyst fails to think geopolitically. The opponents think primarily geopolitically in almost every aspect of the Cyprus problem. You cannot resist geopolitical thinking by projecting dialectic and nothing else.

One example- ALL the maps presented by Annan for territorial settlement in his plan show the british base of Dekhelia cutting the Greek component state in two. It stretches from the sea and touches the Turkish CS.

No Greek politician or commentator has mentioned this arrangement. No one noticed that the Greek CS was in fact split in two, and that the most valuable part, the Famagusta part was cut off from the rest by a wopping sized British base. The Turks on the other hand insisted on this arrangement, to have common borders with the Dekhelia base. And while they did this we were talking about the principles of bizonality.

Droushiotis is no better than the rest of the people who indulge in dialectic and nothing else. To put it in plain cockney- all mouth and no trousers


Okay let’s suppose what this nightmares (don’t you blame me, remember the black whores) of you, this time have some truth and what you know something that no Greek politician notices, what is the meaning of all the above and in what geopolitical scheme (that you think you know) it can fit into?

The only geopolitical game existed is what Americans wanted to control the area with the Europeans and get back the geopolitical advantage they gave to Turkey that playing a double game trying to get advantage from Iran and Russia also and there is no a single reasonable argument that can direct to the conclusion what Europeans, Americans or UN wanted north state separated and out of Europe. Does you theory fit in the above scheme? Or do you think what Europeans are stupid? Or do you prefer to have Turks (or Iran) control the area than the Americans and the Europeans?
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