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[denizaksulu]

Apologies, won't do it again. It's a promise!

So, you are saying that he was doing what was best for Cyprus in October 2004, that is, asking for some changes to Annan Plan 5 and now, three years later he is again doing what is best, by declaring that the Plan was the sure way to the dissolution of the Republic?

Isn't this the reason why we have been thrown into complete isolation and we are the dark ship of Europe. The mention of Cyprus brings chuckles at best, in Brussels.

I'm just reading a book called "Why Men Don't Listen & Women Can't Read Maps" by Allan and B. Pease . . . . I thoroughly recommend it Bananiot

Maybe I need an analogy: If you were offered a work contract and you asked for changes to the conditions . . . but they had still not been met, then you would walk away and look for an alternative, wouldn't you?

That is what Papadopoulos did! He was unhappy with the wording, it did not fulfill its promise, had hidden loopholes etc. . . . so he was a big enough man that he did not worry about losing face and said "NO" (thank you!) and walked away.

You probably know better what people chuckle about in Brussels, but I go by: "he who laughs last, laughs longest" . . . and eventually the right plan for Cyprus will be forged.

Amen/Amin to that.

Hello . . . glad to see you did not fall asleep at the wheel

No no no. Amy MacDonald keeps me company in the morning.So when I am am thinking of the two Tpaps, and money wasted on flags, she calms me down. She is a great young lass. Have you had the pleasure yet? I have worn it out. Even my wife likes her.

No sorry . . . she's too sensible for me . I am more Amy Whinehouse
Enough fun for one morning, I must away and gather pollen . . . . byeee!

I like Amy Winehouse too, but her life stlye does my head in. What a waste of great talent. I pray she kicks the habit. and hope her creativity is not drug induced. Anyway Phoenix, you may go forth and 'pollinate'.

[Bananiot]

Well, Phoenix, Poland was on the winning side of the war yet it lost all its eastern part. We have lost a war and we have alienated all the big boys with our recent antics, including our treasured allies.

Can't really see how, by being stubborn, we can advance our cause. Partition is not just knocking on our door. It is now staring us in the face and my Poland example was just to show that we are not the only ones to lose part of their country, with the blessings of the international community.

Read the book if you get the chance it is quite readable and pleasant.

[phoenix]

Well, Phoenix, Poland was on the winning side of the war yet it lost all its eastern part. We have lost a war and we have alienated all the big boys with our recent antics, including our treasured allies.

Can't really see how, by being stubborn, we can advance our cause. Partition is not just knocking on our door. It is now staring us in the face and my Poland example was just to show that we are not the only ones to lose part of their country, with the blessings of the international community.

Read the book if you get the chance it is quite readable and pleasant.

Until I've read the book to gain the insight that you have, the only parallels I can draw between Poland and Cyprus, is that Turkey and Greece would claim e.g. the North and the East sections of Cyprus. But unlike Russia and Germany that had strong Historical claims to these parts of Poland . . . Turkey has absolutely NO Historical claim to Cyprus, not even based on the original Ottoman Invasion. In fact it would be tantamount to some Asian country invading and partitioning a part of Europe. Asian peoples have NO historical claims on European countries.

As far as your point that we have to accept losing a part of Cyprus as the "TRNC" because that's OK as it has happened to other countries . . . well I find that complete nonsense. That's like saying because my neighbour had his house burgled I will leave my door open and let myself be robbed because it happens!

[Daemon]

I can’t also draw parallels with Poland, I do not think what they or anyone else world wide had a so ridiculous person for president.

As far as your point that we have to accept losing a part of Cyprus as the "TRNC"

I’ve voted yes exactly because I can’t accept that idea, this is what the no voters will consider in some years, if they are not doing that already.

As about the historical claims of Asians and the rest is complete nonsense and pointless, where we have the reality in front of as and where Turkey is walking to the road of Europe, with our free passport.

[Bananiot]

Phoenix wrote

As far as your point that we have to accept losing a part of Cyprus as the "TRNC" because that's OK as it has happened to other countries . . . well I find that complete nonsense. That's like saying because my neighbour had his house burgled I will leave my door open and let myself be robbed because it happens!

No Phoenix. Hold your horses, I did not say that. I said that the policy Papadopoulos is following is leading us to disaster because we will lose half of Cyprus and nobody will give a damn. It has happened before, in many parts of the world.

[Nikitas]

"It has happened before, in many parts of the world."

So if it has happened in many parts of the world it will happen to us too. And are there any examples where people managed to avoid the splitting up of their countries? Can you give us an example where the big powers wanted to impose a break up and the local politicians managed to prevent it?

[phoenix]

Phoenix wrote

As far as your point that we have to accept losing a part of Cyprus as the "TRNC" because that's OK as it has happened to other countries . . . well I find that complete nonsense. That's like saying because my neighbour had his house burgled I will leave my door open and let myself be robbed because it happens!

No Phoenix. Hold your horses, I did not say that. I said that the policy Papadopoulos is following is leading us to disaster because we will lose half of Cyprus and nobody will give a damn. It has happened before, in many parts of the world.

Apologies if I presumed that by your lack of support for Papadopoulos and your analogy to the partition of Poland, that perhaps you were a proponent of a ready-made settlement to recognise the theft of part of our country.

Bananiot I gather you were a Biology and Badminton teacher, so other than that, what experience do you have that empowers you with the confidence to override the decisions of our democratically (i.e. voted for by the majority of Cypriots) elected President?

Why is your plan better than TPap's?

[Daemon]

Apologies if I presumed that by your lack of support for Papadopoulos and your analogy to the partition of Poland, that perhaps you were a proponent of a ready-made settlement to recognise the theft of part of our country.

You are keep bullshiting, I wanted the theft of my country out of Cyprus and you voted to keep him here and you gave him the biggest diplomatic win in their modern history and the green light for their accession to Europe because you are incapable to understand the realities.

The TC’s are already recognized as a community, the BBF is already signed from every Cypriot president and the choice you had was one entity through BBF or 2 entities and you may still have some chance at some level even if i believe what the game is about to over with the biggest lost possible for you.

Bananiot I gather you were a Biology and Badminton teacher, so other than that, what experience do you have that empowers you with the confidence to override the decisions of our democratically (i.e. voted for by the majority of Cypriots) elected President?

There is nothing democratic on this government and while someone trying to present the democracy as a weapon he can only get humiliated like always.

Why is your plan better than TPap's?

Because he have voted again the BBF and because is idiot everyone who think what we will ever be in the negotiation position we was?

Because no one in the world, except from the Cypriot donkeys and Greek nationalists, do not even interested to spit on him?

Because this isolation is idiotic for every brain dead person to believe what it can lead any where even if there is one in million to have a chance?

Because this person hasn’t the credibility to give a pound to him for bring you cigarettes?

Because everyone is either pissed of if he cares, or laughing if he is an enemy?

Because is the most ridiculous president that Europe ever had?

Because he drive many European countries to admit what they did a mistake by accepting as in?

Because this because list can end tomorrow?

[Bananiot]

Apologies accepted Phoenix, no hassle. However, I feel you have a distorted picture of what democracy is all about. Papadopoulos is an elected official and he is accountable. If I disagree with him it is my duty to say so. It would be a crime if I kept quite or worst, if I pretended I agreed with him, just because he offered me a position in the government. This is what happened with our Foreign Secretary who was a vocal critic of Papadopoulos and a "yes" supporter, but when she was made Minister she became a staunch supporter of Papadopoulos. Decent people do not sell their conscience.

I am not a badminton teacher (there is no such thing, they call them coaches these days). I am a player and an ex champion of Cyprus (many moons ago, or, 30 kilos ago).

[Piratis]

Papadopoulos is the best president Cyprus ever had. The only ones that dislike him are the foreigners that maintain troops in our country and some traitor Cypriots.

In the Cyprus problem the process of reversing the harmful and idiotic policies of the previous governments has started and is going well. There is still work to be done, and with the current balance of power we can achieve only so much, but at least we avoided the worst and we left the door open for a fair solution in the future.

Our relationship with countries like China and France became stronger with Papadopoulos, our EU friends (most EU countries) have absolutely no problem with us and are in fact glad because Cyprus can now be used as an excuse to keep Turkey out of EU.

Our economy is doing great, with low inflation, low unemployment, high development, and lower deficits - we even got a surplus this year.

I am sure that the second term of Papadopoulos will be even better.

Those that do not like Papadopoulos are reading/listening too much the media which are sponsored by those that want Turkey in EU as fast as possible and are trying to simply close the Cyprus problem instead of finding a solution. And we all know who those are. It is not "the word" and it is not most EU countries either.