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24 years since the Unilateral Declaration of Independence

How can we solve it? (keep it civilized)

Postby utu » Mon Nov 19, 2007 10:40 pm

humanist wrote:Well thats what we need another fascist Turk encouraging war and thievery. Utu Canada can have you. Thank God there are other countries Turks can go to.



If you're calling me that, than what does that make you? I'm Canadian, and a contributor to this forum. I asked a question. All I expected was an answer, not a knee-jerk ill-opined accusation.
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Postby Get Real! » Tue Nov 20, 2007 12:09 am

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As bananiot can also tell you Daemon, the majority in the north was never TC it was GC. The ethnic cleanse of the area by the Turks and the artificial majority thats in the north now will not be acepted as a solution by the south due to exactly that.....its fake.


Why? Did the Serbs accept what is happening to Kosovo?


Kosovo is headed for UDI. Unlike the north of Cyprus, Kosovo will get recognition. What if the north recognizes Kosovo.... will Kosovo reciprocate?

A non-entity recognize an entity? How charming… I’m sure Kosovo will be very amused! :lol:
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Postby phoenix » Tue Nov 20, 2007 1:40 am

utu wrote:
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As bananiot can also tell you Daemon, the majority in the north was never TC it was GC. The ethnic cleanse of the area by the Turks and the artificial majority thats in the north now will not be acepted as a solution by the south due to exactly that.....its fake.


Why? Did the Serbs accept what is happening to Kosovo?


Kosovo is headed for UDI. Unlike the north of Cyprus, Kosovo will get recognition. What if the north recognizes Kosovo.... will Kosovo reciprocate?


I am sure the "north" recognizes all the countries in the world . . . but they do NOT reciprocate :lol: . . . why would Kosovo be an exception?
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Postby Daemon » Tue Nov 20, 2007 1:58 am

Where is the funny re?

They are about to recognized from Europe, they have representatives in the European parliament they have official meetings with European governments and meetings that not even our politicians can have and the list of their upgrade is growing day by day and you are laughing?

The man says what it could be an exchange for unrecognized countries and it could be but i do not think what either of them need that.

The option of separate entities in Cyprus is already considered in European parliament (and Matsakis agreed with them) and this will come to realty as dead end if we will not find a BBF solution in the next years or if we will come to another one failed attempt that it will make things run faster for that direction. And the 2 entities scenario is by far the most possible one.
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Postby phoenix » Tue Nov 20, 2007 2:17 am

Daemon wrote:Where is the funny re?

They are about to recognized from Europe, they have representatives in the European parliament they have official meetings with European governments and meetings that not even our politicians can have and the list of their upgrade is growing day by day and you are laughing?

The man says what it could be an exchange for unrecognized countries and it could be but i do not think what either of them need that.

The option of separate entities in Cyprus is already considered in European parliament (and Matsakis agreed with them) and this will come to realty as dead end if we will not find a BBF solution in the next years or if we will come to another one failed attempt that it will make things run faster for that direction. And the 2 entities scenario is by far the most possible one.


Daemon ; As you are a fan of Nietzsche; are you just faithful to the cause of partition/BBF because its opponents do not cease to be insipid ?
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Postby Daemon » Tue Nov 20, 2007 2:27 am

BBF is a reasonable reunification and is our last chance and ALL of our presidents have sign for a solution in that form, starting with Makarios and ending with TPap in the last agreement he signed. There is BBF and reunification or division and 2 entities, this is the facts. And if you don’t believe me ask your professional patriot president.
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Postby Daemon » Tue Nov 20, 2007 2:56 am

In fact someone must explain you if you will ever understand what there is no other implementable solution to the problem, the reality of the federation started at 63 with the enclaves where the multi-circuit federation came to the light, we didn’t accept it and we keep the jails of the TC’s until 74 and after the invasion where all the TC’s were moved in one place the multi-circuit transformed to BBF. We created the bicommunal federation situation at 63 and invasion created the bizonal situation.

The other solution exists for bicommunal problem is the multi-circuit but after 30+ years is not implementable and I can explain it by request.
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Postby Daemon » Tue Nov 20, 2007 3:25 am

This problems creating after-data that will be considered in feature problems and a simple statement they are our brothers and simple dissolve their community structure with god thunder because we love them (like some “wise” say) can’t be an after and never was a before. Their community structure it can mixed in a natural way with the GC’s community structure and come to what some “wise” people suggesting in a natural way.

I’ve made my study for the federations and it really make me laugh when I hear what they want European solution and they claiming what that is the god thunder I described above and what actually federation is partition where in Europe there are a lot of multi-communal federations based in similar realities.
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Postby utu » Tue Nov 20, 2007 4:17 am

Get Real! wrote:A non-entity recognize an entity? How charming… I’m sure Kosovo will be very amused! :lol:


Actually, GR., I wonder why the north didn't go that route? There are other political entities out there that are not recognized. If the north had tried such a tactic with Somaliland, Abkazia, Transdnistra, South Ossetia (recognition and reciprocation), then if any of these entities ended up being eventually recognized by other countries, it would provide a back door of sorts to the north getting recognition.
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Postby Get Real! » Tue Nov 20, 2007 9:07 am

utu wrote:
Get Real! wrote:A non-entity recognize an entity? How charming… I’m sure Kosovo will be very amused! :lol:


Actually, GR., I wonder why the north didn't go that route? There are other political entities out there that are not recognized. If the north had tried such a tactic with Somaliland, Abkazia, Transdnistra, South Ossetia (recognition and reciprocation), then if any of these entities ended up being eventually recognized by other countries, it would provide a back door of sorts to the north getting recognition.

You forget one important little detail...

There are innocent non-entities such as "Sealand" and then there are internationally CONDEMNED non-entities such as the "TRNC"!

The "TRNC" stands alone in this group probably with the Tamil tigers! :lol:
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