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[Get Real!]

We have a tried and tested formula where we have all exsisted side by side for more than 33 years,

Using your logic, the US could invade and occupy the Kurdish territory in east Turkey, setup an illegal Kurdish state by force and provide Kurds with a sanctuary, and I’ll even throw in a sizeable “green line” for you, and then claim to have brought "peace and safety" to both sides! So what could Turkey possibly do in such an event but live in this artificial “peace and safety” otherwise known as blackmail?

[Daemon]

Nikitas wrote:

When you compare Kosovo to Cyprus you forget that the independence in Kosovo is going to be recognised for the majority community (the Albanians) and the minority, the Serbs, are not given any special status of equality etc as is being discussed in Cyprus. So the Kosovo precedent is not directly comparable to Cyprus, if it were we would then have a truly independent Cyprus and minority guarantees to the smaller communities of the island.

I’m trying to understand the above and I can’t, I don’t know what is happening on Kosovo but like I see the above quote i can’t really understand the meaning of it.

If the TRNC will be recognized it will not be for the majority of that area that they are TC’s ?

The only problem I see for such evolvement is the properties issue where is about to solved by the ECHR and in some years there will not be any problem, like Lillikas admitted in a rare moment where he actually did the unexpected and actually USE his brains !!!!!! (it was a time for celebration).

[utu]

It makes me think all the time utu. I mean, do the TC's really understand the meaning of the word "Independence" it really is.?? I can only reach a conclusion that they do not understand, other than just a glorified word meaning illegal partition which does nothing but bring hardship on it's own people. In the meantime, it allows those in power to commit corruption and illegal activities over the citizens of the RoC as well as over their own community, the TC's. I know I have said this over and over again, but what goes on in the "Independent TRNC" is nothing more than what the Pigs have done in "Animal Farm" story. Even the Palestinians understand that by declaring a Unilateral Independence is nothing short of a disaster for their own people, who have suffered absolute hardship under the Israeli occupation. I can only deduce from their thinking by not declaring a Unilateral statehood, is that they are just that little bit more smarter than what the Denktash and and the Gang had done in 1984, because Turkey had agreed to recognise them. Perhaps the thinking was, if Turkey can recognise them, just because Turkey is such a brilliant Democracy and world economic power house, and an influential world military power, then the rest of the world will just follow in Turkeys footstep.....until the daylight came around and the sun rose again and the sweet dream had come to an end, and all the thoughts of Turkey's role on the world stage was nothing more than a wishful dream. But unfortunately, those in position of corrupted power still have the anniversary of the "Independence" every year, perhaps just to remind us that they cannot even hold a Friendly International football match against a meaningless football team such as Luton Town from the UK, without the approval of the country they supposed to have gotten Independence from.

The mind does wonder indeed.!!!

"Independence" is a word too lightly bandied around over the last sixty years. Kind of like the word "Freedom" in Africa, Asia, and Latin America. Just a new term for another form of oppression.

[DT.]

Nikitas wrote:

When you compare Kosovo to Cyprus you forget that the independence in Kosovo is going to be recognised for the majority community (the Albanians) and the minority, the Serbs, are not given any special status of equality etc as is being discussed in Cyprus. So the Kosovo precedent is not directly comparable to Cyprus, if it were we would then have a truly independent Cyprus and minority guarantees to the smaller communities of the island.

I’m trying to understand the above and I can’t, I don’t know what is happening on Kosovo but like I see the above quote i can’t really understand the meaning of it.

If the TRNC will be recognized it will not be for the majority of that area that they are TC’s ?

The only problem I see for such evolvement is the properties issue where is about to solved by the ECHR and in some years there will not be any problem, like Lillikas admitted in a rare moment where he actually did the unexpected and actually USE his brains !!!!!! (it was a time for celebration).

As bananiot can also tell you Daemon, the majority in the north was never TC it was GC. The ethnic cleanse of the area by the Turks and the artificial majority thats in the north now will not be acepted as a solution by the south due to exactly that.....its fake.

[Viewpoint]

We have a tried and tested formula where we have all exsisted side by side for more than 33 years,

Using your logic, the US could invade and occupy the Kurdish territory in east Turkey, setup an illegal Kurdish state by force and provide Kurds with a sanctuary, and I’ll even throw in a sizeable “green line” for you, and then claim to have brought "peace and safety" to both sides! So what could Turkey possibly do in such an event but live in this artificial “peace and safety” otherwise known as blackmail?

Do the Americans and Kurds share our history and a partnership agreement between 2 communities where one is trying to give the country to another country that would inevitable mean assimilation or persecution. Your counter argument is weak and quite naive as history dictates how developments occur and GCs gave Turkey a reason to intervene, their greed outweighed their logic and they lost 37% of Cyprus but never forget we lost as well 63%. Maybe land is the price you have to pay for a peaceful existence and we have to pay by being isolated, obviously you are not willing to pay this price whereas I am for peace and security. The alternative as put forward by Gcs is far from attractive as the trust element is non existent and will need to ingrained into any new agreement to ensure neither sides can try to renege, if they should attempt to do this the penalties should also be made clear to act as a deterrent.

[Daemon]

As bananiot can also tell you Daemon, the majority in the north was never TC it was GC. The ethnic cleanse of the area by the Turks and the artificial majority thats in the north now will not be acepted as a solution by the south due to exactly that.....its fake.

Why? Did the Serbs accept what is happening to Kosovo?

[utu]

As bananiot can also tell you Daemon, the majority in the north was never TC it was GC. The ethnic cleanse of the area by the Turks and the artificial majority thats in the north now will not be acepted as a solution by the south due to exactly that.....its fake.

Why? Did the Serbs accept what is happening to Kosovo?

Kosovo is headed for UDI. Unlike the north of Cyprus, Kosovo will get recognition. What if the north recognizes Kosovo.... will Kosovo reciprocate?

[Get Real!]

We have a tried and tested formula where we have all exsisted side by side for more than 33 years,

Using your logic, the US could invade and occupy the Kurdish territory in east Turkey, setup an illegal Kurdish state by force and provide Kurds with a sanctuary, and I’ll even throw in a sizeable “green line” for you, and then claim to have brought "peace and safety" to both sides! So what could Turkey possibly do in such an event but live in this artificial “peace and safety” otherwise known as blackmail?

Do the Americans and Kurds share our history and a partnership agreement between 2 communities where one is trying to give the country to another country that would inevitable mean assimilation or persecution. Your counter argument is weak and quite naive as history dictates how developments occur and GCs gave Turkey a reason to intervene, their greed outweighed their logic and they lost 37% of Cyprus but never forget we lost as well 63%. Maybe land is the price you have to pay for a peaceful existence and we have to pay by being isolated, obviously you are not willing to pay this price whereas I am for peace and security. The alternative as put forward by Gcs is far from attractive as the trust element is non existent and will need to ingrained into any new agreement to ensure neither sides can try to renege, if they should attempt to do this the penalties should also be made clear to act as a deterrent.

The "partnership" you refer to was undemocratic blackmail, Turkey's history with this island is nothing but illegal invasions, and your community are the remnants of it so GET REAL!.

[Viewpoint]

We have a tried and tested formula where we have all exsisted side by side for more than 33 years,

Using your logic, the US could invade and occupy the Kurdish territory in east Turkey, setup an illegal Kurdish state by force and provide Kurds with a sanctuary, and I’ll even throw in a sizeable “green line” for you, and then claim to have brought "peace and safety" to both sides! So what could Turkey possibly do in such an event but live in this artificial “peace and safety” otherwise known as blackmail?

Do the Americans and Kurds share our history and a partnership agreement between 2 communities where one is trying to give the country to another country that would inevitable mean assimilation or persecution. Your counter argument is weak and quite naive as history dictates how developments occur and GCs gave Turkey a reason to intervene, their greed outweighed their logic and they lost 37% of Cyprus but never forget we lost as well 63%. Maybe land is the price you have to pay for a peaceful existence and we have to pay by being isolated, obviously you are not willing to pay this price whereas I am for peace and security. The alternative as put forward by Gcs is far from attractive as the trust element is non existent and will need to ingrained into any new agreement to ensure neither sides can try to renege, if they should attempt to do this the penalties should also be made clear to act as a deterrent.

The "partnership" you refer to was undemocratic blackmail, Turkey's history with this island is nothing but illegal invasions, and your community are the remnants of it so GET REAL!.

You signed and reneged simple as that and everyone paid the price, we still have no resolution to what you GCs started.

[humanist]

Well thats what we need another fascist Turk encouraging war and thievery. Utu Canada can have you. Thank God there are other countries Turks can go to.