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[phoenix]

Growuptcs,

This may be hard for you and GR to understand, but I do believe in the Greek Cypriots getting a fair deal. I also beleive in the Turkish Cypriots being treated fairly as well.

utu you are arrogant if you assume that you are capable of being fair to BOTH sides . . . and it's insulting to suggest that GCs are unable to treat TCs fairly.

Phoenix, you wrote on this forum what you wanted to do to the Turks. So how can you be expected to play fair?

Tell me why it is unfair to expect those who came here illegally, to return to where they came from?

[Get Real!]

GR,

I have never thought of Greek Cypriots in general of being nasty people. What I don't care for are those GC's - like certain TC's - who ARE nasty people. Reading a lot of the posts in this forum has led me to conclude that there are a lot of unreasonable and nasty people here. The only thing that is going to succeed for Cyprus s ifor both sides to latch on to the 'common threads' of Cypriotness. That means dumping a lot of nationalist baggage. And if that cannot be done, then what else can be done? That's my question.

I do believe you Utu. This place can even be frightening at times but it is the culmination of people's constant frustration that creates this.

It’s very tempting and easy to pick a side here and fight for them because there are a few adamant extremists that ensure the waters are never calm.

[utu]

I do believe you Utu. This place can even be frightening at times but it is the culmination of people's constant frustration that creates this.

It’s very tempting and easy to pick a side here and fight for them because there are a few adamant extremists that ensure the waters are never calm.

The problem with a lot of the extremists is that they believe in the righteousness of their position. What I've been trying to do is to cut through a lot of that crap. Yes, I beleive that both sides have suffered and that the economic isolation of the north is making the situation worse. However, I also believe that the Greek Cypriot people that lost their properties in the north have a right of redress - either through the return of those properties, or proper compensation. The presence of the two Britsh bases also makes a mockery of Cypriot independence.

Cyprus' Turkish and Greek communities are both a curse and a blessing to the island. The curse being extreme nationalism to either Turkey or Greece, and the blessing that both communities contribute to what makes Cypriots unique. A unitary state can only truly work if the nationalistic element is removed. Otherwise, federation is the next best thing.

[utu]

Tell me why it is unfair to expect those who came here illegally, to return to where they came from?

You didn't differentiate between Turkish Settlers and Turkish Cypriots. You had said that all of them needed to be removed. To my mind, that meant that you wanted the island to be homogenously Greek. That made you sound like an extremist. If you are only saying the Turkish Settlers with no prior claim of Cypriot residence, then I apologize. Those settlers are doing a lot of harm - not just to the island demographic, but to the Turkish Cypriot culture. The majority of them would have to leave (only possible exceptions is if they had a direct relative as a Turkish Cypriot, or if their children were born in Cyprus)

[Get Real!]

I do believe you Utu. This place can even be frightening at times but it is the culmination of people's constant frustration that creates this.

It’s very tempting and easy to pick a side here and fight for them because there are a few adamant extremists that ensure the waters are never calm.

The problem with a lot of the extremists is that they believe in the righteousness of their position. What I've been trying to do is to cut through a lot of that crap. Yes, I beleive that both sides have suffered and that the economic isolation of the north is making the situation worse. However, I also believe that the Greek Cypriot people that lost their properties in the north have a right of redress - either through the return of those properties, or proper compensation. The presence of the two Britsh bases also makes a mockery of Cypriot independence.

Cyprus' Turkish and Greek communities are both a curse and a blessing to the island. The curse being extreme nationalism to either Turkey or Greece, and the blessing that both communities contribute to what makes Cypriots unique. A unitary state can only truly work if the nationalistic element is removed. Otherwise, federation is the next best thing.

I wish it WAS a nationalistic element but it's not. What we have is a XENOMANIC element; that is people whose allegiance is not to Cyprus but to Greece, Turkey, or Britain, and it is THESE people that are the ENEMIES of sovereign Cyprus.

[utu]

I wish it WAS a nationalistic element but it's not. What we have is a XENOMANIC element; that is people whose allegiance is not to Cyprus but to Greece, Turkey, or Britain, and it is THESE people that are the ENEMIES of sovereign Cyprus.

Is this why the National Anthem of Greece became the Cypriot National Anthem? Because of Xenomaniacs in the then-government? Then again, that would probably also be the reason why the National Anthem of Turkey is used in the North by the administration there...

[Get Real!]

I wish it WAS a nationalistic element but it's not. What we have is a XENOMANIC element; that is people whose allegiance is not to Cyprus but to Greece, Turkey, or Britain, and it is THESE people that are the ENEMIES of sovereign Cyprus.

Is this why the National Anthem of Greece became the Cypriot National Anthem? Because of Xenomaniacs in the then-government? Then again, that would probably also be the reason why the National Anthem of Turkey is used in the North by the administration there...

There is not a doubt that foreign flags, anthems, bases, and similar must go.

Ideally, if all Cypriots cared ONLY for Cyprus and had no interest whatsoever in Greece, Turkey, or Britain, there wouldn't be any problems so that's the challenge I think... to turn all semi-Cypriots into full-Cypriots.

[Nikitas]

GR and UTU,

And why do we feel compelled to express allegiance to the respective "motherlands" and give them priority over Cyprus?

Two reasons I can pinpoint. Insecutiry and blackmail. We are insecure because of perceived mutual threats. Greek Cypriots afraid of Turkish domination and vice versa.

And on top we have the blackmail by nationalists who shame us into giving precedence to the motherlands before Cyprus.

Till we break free of these influences we are not going to get any place.

[phoenix]

Growuptcs,

This may be hard for you and GR to understand, but I do believe in the Greek Cypriots getting a fair deal. I also beleive in the Turkish Cypriots being treated fairly as well.

utu you are arrogant if you assume that you are capable of being fair to BOTH sides . . . and it's insulting to suggest that GCs are unable to treat TCs fairly.

Phoenix, you wrote on this forum what you wanted to do to the Turks. So how can you be expected to play fair?

Not liking somebody and respecting their Human rights are not mutually exclusive in my philosophy.

[phoenix]

Growuptcs,

This may be hard for you and GR to understand, but I do believe in the Greek Cypriots getting a fair deal. I also beleive in the Turkish Cypriots being treated fairly as well.

utu you are arrogant if you assume that you are capable of being fair to BOTH sides . . . and it's insulting to suggest that GCs are unable to treat TCs fairly.

Phoenix, it is well established that neither community trusts the other so you are wasting your breath here.

GR! I was not talking about trust but fair treatment.

We have established that TCs and GCs do not trust each other, but that does not mean that the GCs are incapable of putting the mistrust to one side, continuing to carry out changes within ALL the legal frameworks as they have always done and reunify the island without a single TC suffering . . . (but only once usurper Turkey is off the scene).